Finding a different faith/church

<p>If parents are religious people, I don’t get trying to raise the children by letting them decide for themselves what to believe. When they become adults, they will believe what they believe, but as children… well, the parents believe in their religion because they think it is true and the other religions are false. And if I believe that my religion is true and the other religions are false, I’m going to raise my children in my religion, the true one. I’ll teach my children what other people believe, and that it’s not done to go around saying someone else’s religion is wrong, but I’ll raise them in my religion.</p>

<p>And this would be all the more true if I believed that adherents of my religion would get a wonderful afterlife, and adherents of other religions or no religion would burn in eternity. I wouldn’t want my kids to be damned to a lake of fire.</p>

<p>"Megpmom:Yeah, I agree that people are throwing this word “fundamentalist” around lightly. A “fundamentalist Christian” is an valid Christian branch that basically believes in Biblical inerrancy. There is no “cult” aspect to it - just a set of beliefs. Billy Graham was a fundamentalist. While I am not a fundamentalist, I am a Christian evangelical minister and I worry that people are painting Christians with a broad brush. "</p>

<p>I agree. Lots of bias expressed on this thread toward orthodox Christian belief. A fundamentalist just believes in Biblical inerrancy, as you say. </p>

<p>TranquilMind, the fact that people may disagree with “orthodox Christian belief” does not make them “biased.” Please understand that there is no “just” about a belief in Biblical inerrancy to a person who takes science, among other things, seriously.</p>

<p>I think distancing oneself from organized religion is a positive move. I know it’s not easy because I have no connection at all to my religious upbringing and my mom often expresses her disappointment. When I was younger, I wasted time arguing points with her but now I just ignore them. Now and then it is uncomfortable for my D because she’s a singer and my mom’s friends will ask her to sing on the spot - “something simple like a hymn.” They’d be horrified if they knew she doesn’t know any so she always figures out a way to deflect. I can understand not wanting a grandmother to know about religious choices. I don’t think she needs to know. </p>

<p>Some religious fundamentalists believe in Biblical inerrancy. Other fundamentalists believe in Koranic inerrancy, or have a strong belief in the Torah, Talmud and Jewish religious teachings. </p>

<p>Billy Graham was a evangelical, which is different than a fundamentalist.</p>

<p>I think it is a natural extension of separating from our parents and figuring out what is right for each of us. </p>

<p>She has a strong upbringing in one religion and now she can compare other religions to this one. That she has shared this with you, her dad, speaks highly of her relationship with you.</p>

<p>To have the freedom to explore others beliefs is wonderful. It is an awesome right that was fought for in our country with the lives of many young people.</p>

<p>She will find her way and it might come full circle to her coming back to her church or a more liberal form of her church.</p>

<p>You are a wise man, Tom. Listen to your instincts on this one.</p>

<p>In theory I have no problem with the kids leaving the religion they grew up with. Let them believe what they want! In practice…well, I can imagine some situations that would make me uncomfortable. If they joined a group that believed I was wrong and going to hell, that would bother me. If they joined a group that forced them to cut off relations with me, that would also upset me. </p>

<p>As far as what to tell grandma, I’d keep it on the DL. Not a secret per se, but not something to be announced. Calling it “private” is a good solution. </p>

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<p>To get back to the OP’s question: My D has been “experimenting” with other faiths (including “no faith at all.”) I consider myself a pretty religious person, yet I went through my own questioning/experimenting stage when I was her age. I understand my D’s process of doubt and exploration - but I understand yours, too, Tom. Sometimes it feels as if she’s judging and assessing me /her upbringing, not her religious beliefs. At times like that, I need to remind myself that experimentation (in moderation!) is to be encouraged in all aspects of life. </p>

<p>I also like Flannery O’Connor’s comment about faith and questioning: “A faith that just accepts is a child’s faith and all right for children, but eventually you have to grow religiously as [in] every other way…” </p>

<p>Just as an fyi, Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism are often lumped together, but they aren’t always. There are evangelicals who are fundamentalists, whose faith is based in the idea that scripture is the literal word of God, that for example if the Bible says the earth was created in 6 days and the Bible literally is history, so the earth is 6000 years ago, it is belief the words themselves are all true, as God intended, there is no interpretation, it is what it is (which raises questions, because though that is the claim, they will ignore something like leviticus saying you shouldn’t wear clothing of multiple materials as “Jewish cultural Law”…). Evangelicals are not necessarily fundamentalist, evangelical Christians mean that they feel they are driven by the Holy Spirit, have been “born again”, and also feel the need to Evangelize, tell others about the Good News of Christ and so forth. They don’t necessarily see scripture as the literal word of God in the sense of the literal words written there, they may believe the earth is billions of years old, and so forth, and also through individual discernment come to understand what they think God is through their reading and prayer… </p>

<p>One of the reasons they have been put together is with the religious right coalition that has been the mainstay of the GOP for the past 35 years or so, is that many of these folks are both evangelical and fundamentalist, and this has come to be called 'Evangelical Christianity", when it isn’t the whole picture, nor even a majority of it. I think people’s bias against fundamentalism and evangelicals is because of the religious right, what they see is Kansas banning the teaching of evolution, Creationism/Young earth being taught as scientific theory, or things like bombing abortion clinics or killing abortion doctors, they see the extreme that unfortunately has become the public face of “Evangelicals”, which quite frankly is allowing the extremists to represent the whole (not to mention the battles over gay rights and gay marriage and what ‘evangelical’ religious leaders say in public). Put it this way, a lot of evangelicals believe in science and have no problems with evolution,that is mostly fundamentalist Christians, and they tend to make the biggest noise IMO. </p>

<p>In terms of college, there are some spiritual/religious groups on campuses that have raised eyebrows. When I was in school, there was a pretty aggressive Buddhist group that at the time and even now 30 years later I felt was preying on kids who were lonely and homesick, and there are other groups that show a friendly face, but behind them there is something darker. I am not naming groups, and some of these groups hide behind the mask of Evangelical Christianity, but there are a lot of other groups, too.</p>

<p>@‌ tom1944</p>

<p>Your D may want to find a so called “High Episcopal Church”, it might be common ground for your D and your H. Episcopal churches are usually pretty liberal (I belonged to one for several years that was really out there…), but there are also churches, even in the most liberal of Diocese, that are very conservative). The presiding Bishop of ECUSA is a woman, and they are pretty liberal with LGBT issues and so forth. The reason I said high episcopal is because their worship services are very, very similar to Catholicism, if that is what her H grew up as, so he might feel comfortable. They do communion every week, and many of the rituals are close to the Catholic.</p>

<p>“the parents believe in their religion because they think it is true and the other religions are false.”</p>

<p>Nitpick: there are devout people in some traditions who don’t necessarily believe that the other religions are false. They may believe that the other religions are alternate ways of approaching/understanding the divine that work well for other people/societies.</p>

<p>S1 was raised Jewish and took it pretty seriously throughout high school. In college, he swung agnostic and married a young woman whose parents were raised are Catholic but her mom now practices Buddhism. I find his stepping away from Judaism difficult, but I have kept my mouth absolutely shut tight. I was raised Catholic and converted to Judaism after studying it on my own during HS and college. I can only imagine how tough it was for my parents, and appreciate now, more than ever, the wisdom my dad imparted as we drove to my wedding. He said “Well, my mom was Southern Baptist and converted to Catholicism, and she raised five kids who all married and stayed Catholic. So, if you raise your kids with faith, whatever it is, that’s what 's important to me.”</p>

<p>I think exploration and questioning are part of the process of separation from one’s parents and deciding as an adult how one wants to live his/her life. My feeling is that many people revisit those issues as they have children.</p>

<p>That said, I never told my one surviving grandmother that I converted. We didn’t have that kind of close relationship and she didn’t like to travel, so was not at our wedding, bar mitzvahs, etc.</p>

<p>In direct reply to OP’s question, sure I’d feel sad if my children chose another faith after we’d put so much care into raising them with it. We’d miss their energetic presence at religious holidays, in particular, and would anticipate some awkwardness relating to future grandchildren over the differences. Our own parents would feel sad and helpless, a very depressing scenario! </p>

<p>That said, it’s all in the camp of the children, We laid a strong foundation but they are free to begin anew if they prefer. We’d have to accept it because we wouldn’t want to lose them over it, although we would probably have to “loose” them – I just imagine there would be weaker connections over time.</p>

<p>As for telling Grandma, to me it feels too early for this D. She might need to become more confident in her decision and new faith community to withstand any criticisms from someone she loves. She might also need to be sure her parents will buffer her from the grandparent’s disapproval. To simply say she’s busy searching might invite grandma to weigh in to persuade her back – does D want that dialogue to occur (she might, or not…). </p>

<p>If one faith is certain the other is “wrong” and it’s that polarized, I’d only want a grandma to know after some decision has been made (fait accompli). Part of the pricetag of doing things differently than family expected is managing objections. D needs the ability to stand up with confidence and more experience enjoying her new belief system. </p>

<p>It’s very cool that she can talk with you openly. </p>

<p>Thanks everyone. I just got back to the thread so I only glanced at the replies. I will read them all a little later. For some background my D is 23 soon to be 24.
As I said I think this recent search may have to do with possible faith to get married in as well as her enjoying and finding comfort in religion. She does have a hard time accepting a faith that is in almost complete opposition to her world view.
I also wonder if the sooner she breaks the news the better. In might be stressful to announce during the wedding plans guess what mom, grandma and future mil I will not be getting married in either the Orthodox or Catholic church.</p>

<p>Maybe if the grannies know that the other option would be getting married by an Elvis impersonator in Vegas, they won’t feel so bad about the young people choosing a church that isn’t part of either family’s tradition.</p>

<p>Of course in my family, they’d all vote for the Elvis impersonator and the trip to Vegas…</p>

<p>My experience has been that having children creates an impetus to make decisions concerning ones values and morals which are often dictated by the faith they have been brought up in. I was raised in a particular faith, largely refrained from going to any church while in college, and was married in the church of our parents faith. It wasn’t until we were discussing having children that we started discussing what our morals were, how did we want to raise our children, and should we consider returning to church? Upon returning we both found our faith and beliefs stronger than we had anticipated. Forward 30 years after marriage. Our D is a freshman in college. She has always been a respectful child and attends church when she is home. She does not seem inclined to go to church or attend services of any kind while at school nor has she seemed a particularly spiritual person (pretty much like me at her age). I am dissappointed merely in fact that she chooses not to attend church not in her. I’ll continue to gently encourage. Unless I feel she is endangering herself, she will be the one to decide.</p>