<p>I’m still trying to wash the image out of my mind that would make * most strippers blush!*
:eek: :o ;)</p>
<p>"Truthfully, college tours can be harrowing even for liberal parents. One couple I know crossed Harvey Mudd off the list when the tour group passed a dorm and the parents could see that the trash dumpsters were overflowing with booze bottles. Way too much booze and no recycling! Neither parent was close minded about the college weekend party scene – but were reluctant to have DS wade into an ocean of booze. "</p>
<p>Haha. I’m fairly certain those bottles were in the recycling since that’s how the dorm makes a fair amount of its money. Also, I can tell you right now which dorm that is, because all of the dorms have VERY different personalities, go to the dorm right next to or across and you probably won’t find 5 people who drink. But if her parents don’t trust her enough to make her own educated decisions and she’s cool with letting her parents dictate her life, then sure crossing a school off the list because of an incorrect generalization works well.</p>
<p>I was disappointed to hear the rumoured * acid pinatas* were just a myth at D1s college.
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<p>Here’s another religious-based college that has been in my area for years. It’s very small and “white”. I have no idea about all the criteria you listed, though. Myself, I believe in diversity. </p>
<p>[Bethany</a> University | Santa Cruz, California](<a href=“http://www.bethany.edu/]Bethany”>http://www.bethany.edu/)</p>
<p>I also know the college the OP is referring to and it’s tame in comparison to some others I know of. If it’s the one I think it is, my daughter is a freshman there. And, frankly, I am GLAD that they are embracing homosexuality! It wasn’t all that long ago when that wasn’t the case. Even now, it’s not nearly as diverse as other universities in CA. In fact, it’s one of the “whitest” schools in the public system. And, the area is known to be conservative. I’m not saying that all the students bring those same philosophies with them. College students, in general, are often more liberal and open minded. They’re exploring and just trying to figure out who they are. </p>
<p>As for the parties and drinking (primarily off-campus), yes, that goes on. Some of that involves frat houses. But not always. From what I’ve read and heard, this is more of a drinking school (town) and drugs really aren’t that prevalent. They have a dry campus and no tolerance for drugs. I’m not saying it’s not there, but I know schools that actually have bars on campus and allow drinking (or turn their heads.) Overall, compared to the university less than two hours south of this college, I wouldn’t label it a “party school”.</p>
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<p>Oh the horror!! </p>
<p>Morally upright sure does have a convoluted meaning to some people.</p>
<p>p.s. My guess is that the OP is a regular ■■■■■ here with a new username to stir up a favorite issue.</p>
<p>I agree with the Honors dorm suggestion. My son is at a state school with a good football presence where you can certainly find parties in the dorms, at frat houses, and elsewhere, but his dorm is relatively quiet. Suitemates are all serious students. He’s very lucky, come to think of it!</p>
<p>It is one thing to say one prefers a school with a conservative or religious bent. </p>
<p>But to say they want a “morally upright” college and then say they want one that does not embrace homosexuals is quite repugnant to me. If one is intolerant of homosexuals, that doesn’t equate with “morally upright.” One can be tolerant of equal rights and homosexuality and be quite morally upright, thank you very much.</p>
<p>Apparently, the OP’s son’s college has substance-free dorms. Is he living in one and if not, why not? The fact that substance free dorms exist, implies that not everyone on campus is getting drunk.</p>
<p>For those playing the home version of our game…the OP still has only 3 posts on CC. ;)</p>
<p>I live in an area with a preponderance of conservative Christians and some are quite intolerant of homosexuality. Generally they do associate their beliefs with “being moral” and those with different beliefs to be “immoral.” I’m OK with people having their own viewpoints and can coexist in the community and workplace as long as they understand I also have my own beliefs that may be very different than theirs. However, if those people cannot coexist comfortably with others whose belief structure does not match then they will be much happier in college and work situations that cater to their beliefs. Whether I think they are right or wrong does not come into play. I think some have pointedly asked the OP if their student is happy or not, that is an important question. There are definitely colleges across the country which will “fit” the OP’s belief structure, some well known, some not as well known.</p>
<p>For instance, the following is a snippet from the Westmont student handbook which addresses many of the issues the OP is concerned about in a thoughtful manner, but definitely within the context of that belief structure.</p>
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<p>Plenty of morally upright strippers would find the OP’s attitudes morally repugnant.</p>
<p>Yes the OP’s son has the option of a quiet/sub-free dorm, there are a couple of them, in fact. My son lives in one for freshmen. It’s fairly quiet but there were a couple incidents of partying early in the semester.</p>
<p>2Leashes, I didn’t mean to mislead anyone, but it’s not the college you’re thinking. However, the lack of diversity relative to the diverse population of California (and even relative to their high school) is true for both of my sons’ colleges.</p>
<p>I’m always amazed that “morally upright” equates with sexual abstinence. Sex is a natural human developmental stage – part of our hard wiring, if you will.</p>
<p>How about cheating? Lying? Killing others as foreign policy if playing nicely is too challenging.</p>
<p>I don’t associate sexual abstinence with morality, although acting responsibly in all areas of life, including sexual matters (including respecting others’ needs) is certainly part of morality.</p>
<p>My daughter lives in a substance free floor of a dorm at the OP’s son school. It’s very quiet. There is also a dorm at this school that offers extended quiet hours. I wonder what happened with the OP’s son that made her so upset?</p>
<p>The 1950s are calling , they want their forum thread back.</p>
<p>So many ■■■■■■, so little time. I think the parent forum has become a wasteland because of them. Such a shame.</p>
<p>I’m always amazed that “morally upright” equates with sexual abstinence. Sex is a natural human developmental stage – part of our hard wiring, if you will.</p>
<p>ITA</p>
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<p>I like to think that covers everything.
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<p>Mythmom - You wrote my sermon for me. And wrote it better than I could, by the way. But I’m going to try my hand at a summation, anyway. :)</p>
<p>Dichotomous rules and reasoning generally serve to justify other behavior that is offensive but doesn’t violate those rules. So if a culture decides that it’s always sinful to be sexually active and always moral to be celibate, always sinful to drink and always moral to be a teetotaler, always sinful to swear and always moral to refrain from profanity, then as a member of that culture I can get away with being abusive, hateful and intolerant while claiming my moral superiority on the grounds that I don’t have sex, drink, or swear. </p>
<p>Clearly, right and wrong are not so clear-cut. They’re situational, and as Mythmom notes, personal responsibility almost always underlies the distinction between them. But the more complex definition of right vs. wrong requires the cognitive ability to reason at a level beyond the “either / or.” In terms of human development, that typically hits around the age of 20 - right in the middle of the undergraduate experience. Add to that the fact that college freshmen generally arrive on campus with the single vantage point that they inherited from their family or community, and the undergraduate experience becomes one extended exercise in being stretched toward a goal of complex reasoning.</p>
<p>I feel strongly that a true higher education can’t be found at an institution that espouses a single vantage point, a single version of truth, or a single articulation of faith. Being exposed to a variety of lifestyles - even those with which one disagrees - gives students a fuller view of the range of values that make right and wrong so complex. And it ultimately produces adults who can see beyond their own initial reactions to others or their practices and come to reasoned moral viewpoints. If our society doesn’t have educated adults operating at that level of reasoning, the 21st century will be a very scary place.</p>
<p>Wow. OP is a homophobe.</p>
<p>Look, if you want to send your child to a non-party school that is totally understandable, but take your bigotry against homosexuals elsewhere!</p>