<p>This is too much.</p>
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<p>I agree. It is very sad, very troubling.</p>
<p>My H showed me this last night. What kind of crazy person would do this??</p>
<p>okay, so this guy serves time for killing his grandmother with a hammer and has access to semi-automatic guns? What is going on???</p>
<p>I just don’t get why someone who killed his grandma with a hammer is out after serving 17 years… I don’t care how well he behaved in prison, that seems crazy.</p>
<p>He was convicted or pled to manslaughter</p>
<p>That’s crazy, too.</p>
<p>Killing someone with a hammer is killing in a very cruel manner, which in some states means more time and a more serious crime. This guy should have been given life. </p>
<p>Do we know if he had some motive against firefighters?</p>
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<p>Nothing announced yet, but apparently his mother asked for contributions be made to the local fire district before she died. There is some thought he might have been upset about that…</p>
<p>He said in his note that he liked to kill. I wonder if he will be tied to any unsolved murders.</p>
<p>Yes, I saw a report that said he got a plea deal. Bad deal for society, that one. :(</p>
<p>I’m interested in hearing how a felon convicted of manslaughter got hold of a semi automatic rifle, in fact a bushmaster.</p>
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<p>A HS classmate of mine–my physics lab partner–killed most of his family. He killed his grandmother with a hammer, a couple of others with a hatchet, and strangled his sister with a necktie. He was found not guilty by reason of insanity. My understanding is that he has been out for many years and is now married and living in another New England state. There was also a strong possibility that he had killed another person before that. Frankly, I question whether someone with that history should EVER be allowed out.</p>
<p>*He said in his note that he liked to kill. I wonder if he will be tied to any unsolved murders.
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<p>Oh sick…he might end up being another BTK like killer. (now that was a sick, sick, sick killer as well.)</p>
<p>His sister took him in - and he apparently killed her as well. No good deed goes unpunished. Such a sick, horrible event …</p>
<p>this is why I support the death penalty</p>
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<p>You might have difficulty finding any state where a conviction of manslaughter would result in the death penalty.</p>
<p>He should have never been let out of prison. Period. IMO, murderers and rapists should never get a second chance.</p>
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<p>Regarding your lab partner, it is possible that he had a treatable mental illness, has been successfully treated, continues to follow his treatment regime, and is not a threat to society now. As the family member of someone who suffered from a severe mental illness, I know this is possible.</p>
<p>However, this guy who ambushed the firefighters pled to a lesser charge (did not use an insanity plea, and I assume has not had any decent mental health treatment even if he had a specific diagnosis). So he just went to prison, got out after 17 years, and re-offended in a major way. A very different story.</p>
<p>Regarding your lab partner, it is possible that he had a treatable mental illness, has been successfully treated, continues to follow his treatment regime, and is not a threat to society now. As the family member of someone who suffered from a severe mental illness, I know this is possible.</p>
<p>But the problem is that society has to “hope and pray” that such people take their meds. No one can force them to. I don’t think “forcing meds” can even be a part of one’s parole. </p>
<p>(Hey, why not have some kind of med delivery system in one of those ankle bracelets??? lol)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, those who need meds to behave somewhat normally often think, “hey, I feel great, I don’t need to take X anymore”…and then they stop. Ugh. </p>
<p>Frankly, I don’t care what meds are out there, someone who has killed several people should never be trusted out in the world again.</p>
<p>My mother has schizophrenia and when she is not normal, she talks to herself about how she wants to harm others and probably hurt herself but she doesn’t really do it. So i’m not sure if all mentally ill people are like that? Can someone explain this? Its scary to be around someone with mental illness but you don’t know what the person will do.</p>