Florida v. Zimmerman

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<p>Sally watch the clip I posted on page 51 by a forensics expert. I’ll repost it:</p>

<p>[Forensics</a> in the Zimmerman trial ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs](<a href=“http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/28/forensics-in-the-zimmerman-trial/?hpt=ac_bn3]Forensics”>http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/28/forensics-in-the-zimmerman-trial/?hpt=ac_bn3)</p>

<p>he’s pretty clear, any reasonable person in that situation would fear for his life. The story was originally “zimmerman had the upper hand, was beating him and then shot him”. Now that it’s pretty clear zimmerman was being beat up the story has changed to “oh it wasn’t that bad, no need to shoot him”. We’ll have to see what the story goes to when the defense has a forensics expert discuss what was stated in the clip above.</p>

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<p>TM was NEVER charged with the theft of any jewelry. And it’s not a crime to own a flat-head screwdriver. Do you see the problem? Even describing the screwdriver as a “burglary tool” is inflammatory. On the other hand, that opens the door to saying “George Zimmerman was found after the shooting with a murder tool.”</p>

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<p>So his life is worth less because he has gotten in trouble at school? Are you suggesting that GZ was somehow more justified because TM wasn’t a perfect choir boy? Unbelievable.</p>

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<p>“The only reason Zimmerman was charged was because of political pressure.”</p>

<p>I’m sure you mean “not charged” as made clear by this Affidavit of Probable Cause:</p>

<p><a href="http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/zimmerman-affidavit.pdf"&gt;http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_documents/zimmerman-affidavit.pdf&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Given Zimmerman’s own academic history, I hardly think this needs to be brought up. </p>

<p>Do you believe a life is worth so little?</p>

<p>This just makes me sad to hear.</p>

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<p>“He lost his life for nothing.”</p>

<p>He lost his life because he physically assaulted Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot him because he feared for his life.</p>

<p>Do you not believe in one’s right to self-defense?</p>

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<p>JonoWono, the medical examiner in this case makes a living off his “expert testimony.” Of course he is going to support the side that can pay him handsomely for his opinion. Which is all that he is offering–his opinion.</p>

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<p>So I presume you think Jonathan Good is lying too? The doctor on Friday even said the injuries could have been caused by having your head being beaten into concrete. Where is the proof beyond a reasonable doubt that he didn’t fear serious bodily injury?</p>

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<p>Let’s try it a different way, riprorin. George Zimmerman RECKLESSLY put his life in danger by following someone he claimed to be afraid of, even after he was told not to by the authorities.</p>

<p>If I am at a national park and I go beyond the line where there is a rope and a sign saying “please don’t go past this point” and I fall and get injured or die, whose fault is it? Is anyone or anything to blame other than my own reckless behavior?</p>

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<p>I believe if you stalk me and shoot me, you murdered me, riprorin.</p>

<p>I believe Zimmerman provoked and caused the confrontation himself and then shot his opponent.</p>

<p>I believe in the right to walk home unharrassed from the convenient store.</p>

<p>I do not believe in the right of anyone to follow me or you and shoot us. I just don’t. I never will.</p>

<p>But, now I will leave the thread for a while. I think you and I are at an impasse.</p>

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<p>"… the police investigation found no evidence to contradict Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense."</p>

<p>And a very thorough investigation it was: Shooting at 7:15, and GZ home by one.</p>

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<p>I didn’t say anyone was lying. I said the ME framed his comments to support GZ’s narrative. And Jonathan Good had to recant/modify one of his statements. You can call that lying if you like.</p>

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<p>“So his life is worth less because he has gotten in trouble at school? Are you suggesting that GZ was somehow more justified because TM wasn’t a perfect choir boy? Unbelievable.”</p>

<p>Why do you feel the need to put words in my mouth? You said he was a “regular kid”.</p>

<p>Regular kids don’t go to school with 12 pcs of women’s jewelry in their backpack and a burglars tool. </p>

<p>Regular kids aren’t suspended from school multiple times.</p>

<p>Regular kids don’t straddle someone and punch them in the face and pound their head into the ground.</p>

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<p>Is it me or are the same people arguing pro Zimmerman also arguing pro Fisher (UT V. Fisher)? I hope not. The trial will end badly for Zimmerman just like Fisher. BTW a much easier call to make. Zimmerman should have never gotten out of his car.</p>

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<p>Descoff when innocents are caught in the cross fire of gang violence I believe those acts are taken very seriously and investigated. When I see those stories on the news and I believe most of them are reported on I have an overwhelming feeling of sadness. The same feeling I have when a young man minding his own business and walking home from the store ends up dead.</p>

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<p>What if TM was defending himself and then somehow got the upper hand and then GZ shot him? We don’t know what happen, the injuries do not dismiss that scenarios and many others. There could be forensic evidences that dispute various claims by GZ, if so, that could be a problem for GZ. If not, GZ is going to be found innocent.</p>

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<p>Zimmerman was the appointed neighborhood watch coordinator for the gated community. </p>

<p>What do you think neighborhood watch is for?</p>

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<p>“He lost his life because he physically assaulted Zimmerman and Zimmerman shot him because he feared for his life.”</p>

<p>The assumptions upon which this conclusion is based reveal a complete lack of critical thought.</p>

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<p>This case really comes down to this: following someone is not a crime. Confronting someone is not a crime. Shooting someone in self defense is not a crime. Even doing all these things together is not a crime. The only way Zimmerman committed a crime is if he either threw the first punch or had no reason to fear serious bodily harm.</p>

<p>Where’s the evidence of this? I don’t see any.</p>

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<p>“Zimmerman was the appointed neighborhood watch coordinator …”</p>

<p>Self-appointed. And he wasn’t on Neighborhood Watch that night.</p>

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<p>Regular people do not play neighborhood “mall cop” with a murder tool in their car on the way to Target. Regular people do not pursue unarmed teenagers and refuse to follow the advice of authorities who tell them to back off. Regular people do not lie about what happened, lie about their finances, and refuse to man up and take the stand in their own defense if they are so righteous.</p>

<p>Regular people do not spend $60K-plus in living expenses for eight months. </p>

<p>Read more: [Trayvon</a> Martin Murder Trial: George Zimmerman?s Defense Fund Is Almost Broke | TIME.com](<a href=“Trayvon Martin Murder Trial: George Zimmerman’s Defense Fund Is Almost Broke | TIME.com”>Trayvon Martin Murder Trial: George Zimmerman’s Defense Fund Is Almost Broke | TIME.com)</p>

<p>But regular people do try to stop aggressors who are following them for no reason armed with murder weapons. It’s called self-defense.</p>