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<p>I though Good was the most credible witness of all. He observed the men when they were vertical. He observed Martin on top of Zimmerman pushing his arms downward toward Zimmerman. He could distinguish between Martin by his skin color and the fact that he was wearing a hoodie. He identified Zimmerman by skin color and clothing color. He was probably the witness who got the closest to the fight.</p>
<p>Good was very credible and I believe him. But I like to ask him, why he did not help Zimmerman? If Zimmerman was in such danger and a life threatening situation, why did Good walk away?</p>
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<p>The lead detective wanted to charge Zimmerman after he interrogated him on the night of the shooting. What kind of politics was involved in not charging him then?</p>
<p>And for all those saying Zimmerman acted in self-defense in shooting Martin during a struggle between the two, what about Martin’s Florida right to stand his own ground? Someone stalking me with a gun, I’ll do whatever is reasonable. We don’t know if Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun, but if he did, the most reasonable self-defense could be to lie in wait and jump him from behind to neutralize the use of the weapon, which didnt work in this case. I don’t know if that’s what happened but it’s plausible that everything Martin did including getting the jump on Zimmerman-- was in self-defense. </p>
<p>Don’t know if this point was made, but consider how this would have played out had Zimmerman been black and Martin white. In Florida, he’d already be on death row.</p>
<p>Martin chose to hide then confront George Zimmerman rather than simply going home. Obviously that was a bad decision. He probably didn’t count on Zimmerman having a gun when he beat him.</p>
<p>“Zimmerman was the appointed neighborhood watch coordinator …”</p>
<p>“Self-appointed. And he wasn’t on Neighborhood Watch that night.”</p>
<p>I don’t think you take a day off from looking for suspicious activity where you live.</p>
<h1>804 Absolutely no facts to back up that claim. In fact the phone call with Rachel says otherwise if that account is true.</h1>
<p>“I don’t think you take a day off from looking for suspicious activity where you live.”</p>
<p>It appears that he was, but why lied about it or not says that he was.</p>
<p>Very good points, ttparent and latichever.</p>
<p>it still has not been established who threw the first punch. it would seem this is a key factor as far I understand.</p>
<p>according to TM’s friend his first ‘action’ was in the form of a question, “why are you following me?” if he was hiding and then pursuing GZ why would he ask this question, why wouldn’t he simply attack as many have presumed. </p>
<p>why wasn’t GZ’s response, “I’m the neighborhood watch, I didn’t recognize you, can you please tell me what your purpose in the neighborhood is” </p>
<p>this to me is critical.</p>
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<p>Zimmerman shot Martin after Good walked away. Zimmerman complained to a police officer that he called for help but no one would help him. Possibly Good’s walking away made Zimmerman feel he would not receive help and had no choice but to shoot Martin.</p>
<p>“Good was very credible and I believe him. But I like to ask him, why he did not help Zimmerman? If Zimmerman was in such danger and a life threatening situation, why did Good walk away?”</p>
<p>He did get involved. He shouted for them to stop and he went into his house and called 911.</p>
<p>The explanation above seems very credible.</p>
<p>"Zimmerman shot Martin after Good walked away. Zimmerman complained to a police officer that he called for help but no one would help him. Possibly Good’s walking away made Zimmerman feel he would not receive help and had no choice but to shoot Martin. "</p>
<p>Or Good thought it was a simple tussle, not one person pummelling away and about to kill the other guy. He actually testified that he did not see a lot of downward movements or saw actual constant contacts of blows (paraphrasing, might not be accurate).</p>
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<p>Agreed. And this is where the “profiling” fits in, IMO. Imagine if instead of being a black teenaged boy TM was a Caucasian or Latino kid. Would he have acted the same way? Somehow I doubt it.</p>
<p>From his text messages that day, Martin was agitated and probably in a poor state of mind. It likely contributed to his hostility.</p>
<p>[Zimmerman</a> defense: Texts show Trayvon Martin ‘hostile’ day of shooting - CNN.com](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/26/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense]Zimmerman”>http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/26/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense)</p>
<p>riprorin is it your position that young black men should expect that as they go about their normal daily activities they will be followed and be willing to accept that?</p>
<p>“It also fits with my theory that the police might have been the ones to rough up GZ as another precaution against possible criminal action against him. I have thought this since I saw the video of the police walking him into the station after the incident”</p>
<p>Sally - Really???</p>
<p>Good lord, riprorin. It is not a crime to be a teenaged boy with hormones and emotional ups and downs. He was visiting his father’s fiancee–maybe he was stressed about that. Or perhaps he was upset about being suspended from school. The fact is that he was INNOCENTLY walking through the neighborhood MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS when he was accosted by GZ.</p>
<p>Also you really don’t need to keep posting the biased media reports that malign the deceased victim. I could find many that talk about what a hothead loser George Zimmerman was if I wanted to, but I won’t.</p>
<p>TM: “Why are you following me?”
GZ: “Turn out your pockets.”
TM: “What? No.”
GZ: “Then I’ll do it for you.”
Scuffle, gunshot, TM dead.</p>
<p>No, I don’t think that’s what happened. Nobody except GZ (and rip and jono of course) claim to know what happened that night. And GZ isn’t taking questions.</p>
<p>“It looked like there were strikes being thrown, punches being thrown,” Good said.</p>
<p>Later, under cross-examination, he said that it looked like the person on top was straddling the person on bottom in a mixed-martial arts move known as “ground and pound.” When defense attorney Mark O’Mara asked him if the person on top was Martin, Good said, “Correct, that’s what it looked like.” Good also said the person on the bottom yelled for help.</p>
<p>I’ll be glad when the trial resumes tomorrow so we all have some new stuff to discuss.</p>
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