The job market has already been hit by tremors from the artificial intelligence earthquake. These 20 colleges—10 public and 10 private—are preparing and graduating the talent that employers will seek in this new era.
Hopkins being bumped to the Ivy Plus list (which is excluded from consideration) made room for Case Western. It is cool to see them getting some recognition.
There seems to be more turnover on the publics list. I feel like 10 is not enough for that side of things.
So of course that is not their actual methodology. But basically, they do a minimum size (so no small LACs) and selectivity screen (apparently using admissions rates and test scores, and if a school does not have enough test scores reported it is out), and then they survey business executives (C-level and hiring executives).
This is very much NOT one of the new social mobility-focused methodologies (elements of which US News have started to incorporate, in fact). On the other hand, it is sort of a relatively pure distillation of what some kids/families seem to want in a methodology.
I note the UCs are out because of the lack of test scores, but yes, no doubt if they made it to the business executive survey round, multiple would then make the list.
I don’t know if I should post this here (since it’s based on the article/intro to Forbes’ New Ivies piece) or have a separate thread, but what I really appreciated about it were these two quotes (emphasis added in each):
“The most promising talents today are beginning to emerge from institutions that prioritize intellectual rigor over inherited prestige,” observed one of our C-suite respondents, adding that the ideal graduate entering the workforce in the age of AI will have successfully completed an education that’s cultivated uniquely human traits including “complex emotional intelligence, radical adaptability and visionary creativity to orchestrate AI tools rather than compete with them.”
@blossom‘s favorite metric is touted here. If you’re not being intellectually challenged while acquiring your college education, it’s probably not doing much for you.
A similar perspective was offered to Forbes by Magnus Egerstedt, a robotics expert who last November was appointed provost of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, a three-time public New Ivy winner. “Being successful [in the age of AI] has more to do with the liberal arts than with traditional high-tech disciplines,” says Egerstedt, who spent two decades as a professor of engineering, but is predicting a liberal arts renaissance. “So we’re really leaning in hard on this idea of you need good foundations in something and then we focus on creativity, curiosity, problem solving.”
And…the importance of the liberal arts in the future…touted by an engineering professor! So a hope is burgeoning in my chest that maybe students will stop being so pre-professionally focused on very narrow career preparation and will lean in to all the liberal arts departments and opportunities available to explore at college campuses.
Ehhhh - not seeing it - one only look at the programs schools are cutting and focused on. It’s a nice thought but until salary data shows the LACs as leaders and STEM depressed on a universal level, I don’t see it.
Many here like to diminish salary and career outcome data but it matters, especially overall industry data.
Trends often change quickly though so it is possible. There’s always a new ‘hot” thing.
Excellent point and hope. Until students recognize that careers span across a lifetime and that their first job out of college may have little do with the trajectory of their career across decades, some students will simply focus on pre-professional degrees. IMO it is shortsighted. Thrilled to see that people understand that The humanities and a wide breath of knowledge, skills, and interpersonal skills are extraordinarily important, especially in this day of IO.
And, we will continue to need our teachers our clergy our pilots, and many others that provide necessary value to our society. And let’s not forget that healthcare professionals, lawyers, etc., can major in virtually anything they want in undergrad (premeds know what courses they need to take). So hold onto your dream, @AustenNut ! This is an excellent article on skills that benefit students coming out of college that help to lead to successful careers
The “name” of a college (Ivy, Little Ivy, New Ivy) really doesn’t matter, IMHO. What matters is what students feel they will gain by attending these colleges. And this certainly can vary by student…and college.
Hopefully so, but seems to be a stronger focus at the liberal arts colleges. It may be harder to focus on holistic inter disciplinary growth in some pre-professional programs. JMO.
Purdue has a Core with required classes in these areas:
Behavioral/Social Science
Humanities
Information Literacy
Oral Communication
Quantitative Reasoning
Science
Science, Tech, and Society
Written Communication
1/3 of my D’s classes were outside of her engineering major.
We have family member at another school on this “New Ivies” list who also had similar requirements.
I think this is more the norm than most people realize. Being a pre-professional majors at a research universities doesn’t mean that students aren’t getting exposed to the liberal arts and aren’t well rounded students.
And I 100% agree that this is important and I was glad to see it emphasized in the Forbes article.