Former Natalee Holloway Suspect is Now a Suspect in Another Murder

[nysmile]

<p>swimcat: I totally agree. She (Nancy Grace) is like nails on a chalkboard. I watched it only because I was curious.</p>

<p>There really wasn’t much new info other than what has been noted on this thread. </p>

<p>Allegedly, while he left the room to get coffee and bread for the two of them, the girl went on his laptop. She supposedly found incriminating info that tied him to the Holloway case.
When he got back to the room, it’s alleged that the girl questioned him about it. He got mad that she “invaded” his personal business. She proceeded to question him about the info she found on the computer. He got mad, hit her, wouldn’t let her leave the room, and put his hands around her neck. Basically, he beat her and broke her neck.</p>

[Northstarmom]

<p>“No regard for others. Very frightening that someone like this exists who has/d parents who were looking out for him. He really should have been committed to a mental institutel”</p>

<p>You can’t commit a person to a mental institution because they have anger problems and sociopathy. At least in the U.S., the person has to be an immediate danger to themselves or others to be committed.</p>

[toledo]

<p>Police from Bogota, Columbia, may be investigating him in the disappearance of two young women from a casino. It looks like he was in Columbia before coming to Peru.</p>

<p>[Colombia</a> police investigate Van der Sloot over missing girls | Radio Netherlands Worldwide](<a href=“http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/colombia-police-investigate-van-der-sloot-over-missing-girls]Colombia”>http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/colombia-police-investigate-van-der-sloot-over-missing-girls)</p>

[Nrdsb4]

<p>And the plot sickens…</p>

[Nrdsb4]

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I have actually though of her in terms of being a sociopath because of her complete inability to feel regret when she has devastated people’s lives. It is probably the wrong term because I don’t think she would kill someone - just rhetorically stabs them in the back.

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<p>swimcatsmom, one does not have to be a murderer to be a sociopath. She may indeed possess many characteristics of someone with antisocial personality disorder.</p>

<p>[Profile</a> of the Sociopath](<a href=“http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html]Profile”>Profile of the Sociopath)</p>

[ignatius]

<p>Surprised?</p>

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‘Barbaric conditions’</p>

<p>Meanwhile, the Dutch newspaper De Volkskrant quoted the suspect’s lawyer in the Netherlands as suggesting the confession may have been coercerced.</p>

<p>“Joran told his mother crying Monday that he was being interrogated under reasonably barbaric conditions,” the paper quoted Bert De Rooij saying. “He said the police were trying to force him to confess.”</p>

<p>Under such conditions, he said, the “confession was possibly false.”

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[Northstarmom]

<p>Given his obvious anger problems, I doubt if he’ll qualify for early release due to good behavior.</p>

<p>"Today, he’ll walk police through how he says he killed Flores Ramirez…</p>

<p>The reenactment of the crime, which is standard procedure in Peru, will give van der Sloot an opportunity to show police his version what happened.</p>

<p>“The reenactment is necessary because officers can visually see what was taking place when the crime was committed. It lets officers establish if there are inconsistencies in a defendant’s statement,” says Carlos Neyra, a spokesperson for the investigative police.</p>

<p>Reenactment may be key to charges and jail time</p>

<p>The crime scene walkthrough could also determine the kind of sentence van der Sloot receives here.</p>

<p>His version suggests that the murder was not premeditated as has been speculated, because of the fact that Flores’ murder occurred on the fifth anniversary of Holloway’s disappearancet. Van der Sloot has been called the “May 30 serial killer” in the Peruvian press.</p>

<p>His account would also rule out robbery as a motive.</p>

<p>These facts are crucial, because the charge of homicide or second-degree murder carries a sentence as low as 15 years. With good behavior, study and work in a Peruvian prison, van der Sloot could, hypothetically, be released within seven years.</p>

<p>In this scenario, he would not yet be 30-years-old when released.</p>

<p>Premeditated murder, on the other hand, carries a 30-year sentence and conditions for parole are much narrower.</p>

<p>Aggravated robbery, which is when the victim is killed in a robbery, is the worst-case scenario from van der Sloot’s perspective. This crime in on the table, because there is testimony that Flores Ramirez won about $1,000 playing poker the night before she was murdered and that van der Sloot killed her to steal the cash.</p>

<p>He would be sentenced to life if officers establish this as the crime."
[Why</a> Peru’s police need Joran van der Sloot to reenact killing - CSMonitor.com](<a href=“http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2010/0609/Why-Peru-s-police-need-Joran-van-der-Sloot-to-reenact-killing]Why”>Why Peru's police need Joran van der Sloot to reenact killing - CSMonitor.com)</p>

[Northstarmom]

<p>“swimcatsmom, one does not have to be a murderer to be a sociopath. She may indeed possess many characteristics of someone with antisocial personality disorder.”</p>

<p>This is true. Most sociopaths aren’t murderers. They are people who lack empathy who use people. They could be con artists or people who simply climb the career ladder and get other legal benefits by using and discarding others.</p>

[alwaysamom]

<p>The FBI gave him $25,000. This story just keeps getting worse and worse.</p>

<p>[FBI</a> gave $25K to van der Sloot, official says - CNN.com](<a href=“Source: Undercover FBI agent passed money to van der Sloot in probe - CNN.com”>Source: Undercover FBI agent passed money to van der Sloot in probe - CNN.com)</p>

[silverlady]

<p>Why would the police believe him? Has he ever told the truth about anything? I can’t believe that he would go to jail for such a short time. At least he could be released to US custody after serving his sentence for the extortion warrant. That could give him a lengthy sentence. The jail conditions would be better, too.</p>

[TutuTaxi]

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In exchange for payment, van der Sloot showed a person described in Interpol documents as Beth Holloway’s representative, a house where supposedly Holloway’s remains were located.
When records showed that the house wasn’t even built at the time of her disappearance, van der Sloot admitted he lied, Interpol said.

It makes me sick to think $25,000 of US tax payer money went to that killer.</p>

[Northstarmom]

<p>“The jail conditions would be better, too.”</p>

<p>From what I’ve read about Peruvian prisons, I doubt he’ll survive his stint in one in order to enjoy the comforts of a long stay in a U.S. prison.</p>

[mom2collegekids]

<p>^^^</p>

<p>I agree. Supposedly the food is so awful that the prisoners accept money from outsiders to “hurt” other prisoners. So, a victim’s family can give a prisoner - say $100 - and he’ll beat up the intended person.</p>

[Nrdsb4]

<p>[Van</a> der Sloot lawyer to ask judge to strike confession – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs](<a href=“http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/10/van-der-sloot-lawyer-to-ask-judge-to-strike-confession/?hpt=T2]Van”>http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/10/van-der-sloot-lawyer-to-ask-judge-to-strike-confession/?hpt=T2)</p>

<p>Well, the maneuvering begins.</p>

[soozievt]

<p>More…</p>

<p>[FOXNews.com</a> - Van Der Sloot Says He Snacked, Sipped Espresso Near Peru Woman’s Mutilated Corpse](<a href=“Casino Video Captures Meeting of Van Der Sloot, Peruvian 'Victim' | Fox News”>Casino Video Captures Meeting of Van Der Sloot, Peruvian 'Victim' | Fox News)</p>

[Northstarmom]

<p>From the Fox story soozievt linked to. I feel for his mother. I can’t imagine what it would be like to have a son like this.</p>

<p>“On Monday, La Republica reported, van der Sloot spoke to his mother on the phone for 20 minutes, and authorities believe she convinced him to tell the truth.”</p>

[Northstarmom]

<p>“Well, the maneuvering begins.”</p>

<p>His lawyer can ask for the confession to be struck, but the judge can do whatever the judge wants to do, and considering van der Sloot’s history of lying, and considering the amount if incriminating evidence against him, I suspect that van der Sloot will be sentenced to a lengthy prison term regardless of what his lawyer requests.</p>

[toledo]

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I suspect that van der Sloot will be sentenced to a lengthy prison term regardless of what his lawyer requests.

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<p>Isn’t the maximum for murder only 35 years? I thought I read that it’s longer if they can prove theft was the motivating factor. I also just read that one of the Peruvian officials believes Joran “is not in his right mind.” I’m not sure how they treat insanity.</p>

[Nrdsb4]

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His lawyer can ask for the confession to be struck, but the judge can do whatever the judge wants to do, and considering van der Sloot’s history of lying, and considering the amount if incriminating evidence against him, I suspect that van der Sloot will be sentenced to a lengthy prison term regardless of what his lawyer requests.

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<p>You know, the more I think about it, the more I agree with you. Even without a confession, they’ve got him. She was filmed going into his room, he’s filmed coming out of it, she never does leave the room, and she’s dead when the maid comes in to clean. Unless she broke her own neck, they’ve got him.</p>

<p>I’m hoping he was dumb enough to take her casino winnings with him. Then they would have him for robbery as well, and could possibly get him for the longer sentence.</p>

[Northstarmom]

<p>“Isn’t the maximum for murder only 35 years?”</p>

<p>That’s basically a life sentence considering what I’ve read about Peruvian prisons.</p>

<p>"Conditions were poor to extremely harsh in facilities for prisoners who lacked funds. Overcrowding, poor sanitation, and inadequate nutrition and health care were serious problems. Inmates had intermittent access to running water, bathing facilities were inadequate, kitchen facilities were unhygienic, and prisoners slept in hallways and common areas for lack of cell space. Tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS reportedly remained at near-epidemic levels. The San Juan de Lurigancho men’s prison held 9,874 prisoners in a facility designed for 3,204.</p>

<p>…Conditions were especially harsh in maximum-security facilities located at high altitudes. The high-security prison in the jungle area of Iquitos was in poor condition and was under renovation. During the year the PNP transferred responsibility for operating the facility to INPE.</p>

<p>Prison guards and fellow inmates reportedly abused prisoners. There were deaths of inmates in prisons, most attributed to fellow inmates, but some were due to negligence by guards. Guards received little or no training or supervision. Corruption was a serious problem, and some guards cooperated with criminal bosses who oversaw the smuggling of guns and drugs into prisons."</p>

<p>[The</a> Peruvian Criminal Justice System and Prison Conditions - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime](<a href=“Labor Day Open Thread - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime”>The Peruvian Criminal Justice System and Prison Conditions - TalkLeft: The Politics Of Crime)</p>

<p>[Peru:</a> overcrowding fuels tuberculosis infection in prisons](<a href=“International Committee of the Red Cross”>International Committee of the Red Cross)</p>

<p>[Inside</a> | World’s Toughest Prisons | Photos | Image: A gatehouse of Peru’s Lurigancho Prison - National Geographic Channel](<a href=“National Geographic TV Shows, Specials & Documentaries”>National Geographic TV Shows, Specials & Documentaries)</p>