Any source for that statement with breakdown’s of percentages? Any allowances for variances depending on the campus culture, region, etc?
Am wondering as from my observations, it seems the heavy drinking parties/conduct I keep seeing from you and other posters was far more common in some campuses, neighborhoods, areas than others. Most kids I knew in my old neighborhood rarely/never experienced such parties until they dropped out/graduated HS as opposed to some older suburbanite cousins who grew up in upper/upper-middle class suburban towns where heavy drinking parties/binge drinking was common among many HS kids*.
While I heard it has changed now, when I attended my LAC, it was actually very unusual to find classmates who drank alcohol…especially to excess as it was considered by most classmates as a vice for “the establishment/parents” and thus, “uncool”.
On the other hand, other campuses with heavy partying/drinking cultures such as SUNY Albany back in the '90s was such many HS classmates who started at such colleges ended up transferring out to colleges without such cultures to get away from the negative effects of being around such heavy drinkers/partiers…such as lack of sleep from being kept up all night by noisy drinkers/partiers, having to step around vomit, or even avoiding being targets of belligerent drunks looking for a fight. One HS classmate who transferred out of one such school likened it to something “between a chaotic zoo and an insane asylum.”
One manifestation of this was how my aunt/uncle and their neighbors frequently complained about and called in the local police about local teens drinking in the woods behind their homes, causing some property damage/making a racket, and leaving trash including large piles of beer cans/bottles. Unfortunately, not much came of it....partially because the parents of many of those teens have enough influence to effectively allow them to get off without even a slap on the wrist.
I had asked a question up thread regarding probation. If Turner violates probation, will he automatically be sent to prison or does a judge have discretion regarding the punishment ? @LionsMum do you have any info?
Articles say Turner and Stanford “mutually agreed on expulsion”. Hard to enroll somewhere other than an auto admit. Assume they let him withdraw from classes rather than fail the classes.
I think Hanna already posted he can’t transfer or enroll at any college while he is on the registry. Maybe she was saying no one would accept him, not that it wasn’t legally possible for them to do so. I wasn’t sure.
Thank you for linking the probation report upthread. It’s of note that the probation officer said that he did show significant remorse and recognition of how he had damaged the survivor’s life in interviews, which is why I hate the rush to judgment based on incomplete info and sound bites. It’s also of note that they administered some test and found him at low-moderate risk of repeating, based on no previous criminal record. It seems a thorough and professional report and it seems normal to me that a judge would weight it highly in determining the sentence.
I’m not excusing him one bit and I think the sentence should be harsher. But I think it’s unfair to paint this as “sloppy judge figured he’d give a Stanford athlete bro a break and was swayed by tales of uneaten steaks and lost Olympic glory.” I think that is too reductionist.
When both boy and girl are near or full blackout drunk, the hookups are sloppy and gross and technically, from a legal pov, routinely cross lines. If she passes out 10 minutes later in his (19 yo) dorm room – she (22 yo) likely wakes up in the morning and laughs off a blackout hookup with her friends.
Drinking till blackout, social media boasting, hook up culture is responsible for this. This case def. didn’t warrant the media exposure it received. Your local colleges cover up FAR worse sexual assaults multiple times per semester.
Maybe he deserved to be kicked off the team or at worst out of college, but criminal, registered offender, national news, google history for ever, the entire nation piling on? 1000% overboard.
re: 1037, I will ignore the first two thirds of your posts, I’ve commented plenty that if someone has read the thread they understand my position with regard to the verdict and legality of the verdict. I think it’s presumptuous to speculate how I might or might not have parented a daughter as clearly I do not have a daughter. and my boys have so far managed to surpass 21 without being accused of sexual assault by their girlfriends On surface and being a product of the 70s I probably would talk to my girls pretty much the same way I talk to the boys with some variation …but I will say for the most part Hanna got my point and people have shown some restraint here in this thread and it’s more the world outside CC that has bothered me, some of it seeps in when people post links, but in general there has been to a point good dialogue.
Except she was passed out during the assault,not after @Karenk6 How many sexual assaults should someone commit before they are a registered offender in your opinion ?
I agree with you @Pizzagirl as far as he wasn’t meaning to use action in that way, but even without that poor word choice what he did mean was that even though that 20 minutes of action will effect the victim’s life forever, even though she will pay a high price, he shouldn’t have to pay a high price. My problem with Turner and his family and friends is that none of them seem to realize the impact that 20 minutes of action has on the victim. Their sole concern seems to be minimizing the impact on Turner. Had they acknowledged the victim as a victim of a crime committed by Turner, I don’t think as many people would have a huge problem with his family and friends supporting and pleading for him to have a more lenient sentence.
@reddoor - I am curious too-- withdrew? Expelled? Maybe he withdrew from his classes and was expelled from school? Will be interested to see what you find and I’ll look too.
I’m curious as to why private colleges would allow a student to voluntarily withdraw in lieu of involuntary expulsion when the convicted felon was caught red handed and there was damning evidence from medical examination and multiple witnesses.
Wouldn’t this be one of those cases where the school can justifiably expel him outright without offering him a chance to voluntarily withdraw to underscore the gravity of his crime/campus violation?
carolinamom2boys…not to split hairs, but it is unknown exactly when she passed out.That would have been part of the issue for the defense and the prosecution when coming up with charges and how to frame the case. Her blood alcohol was over 3x the legal limit and she did not regain consciousness for several hours and has little memory after the point she left the party. Clearly he should never have left the party with her and perhaps he never had it drilled in his head, but his judgement was clouded by alcohol and perhaps young men just think if they take off with a young women and as young women do that go to dorm room with partners they don’t know well who are inebriated “nothing horrible will happen to them.”
Adults have alot of drunk sex, many young adults wouldn’t even be walking the college campuses if their parents hadn’t had a few drinks…that’s been covered ad nauseum, but we are talking about younger people with little experience with alcohol and little experience with sex. A very combustible combination. My feeling is if we can’t put aside the name calling and call it like it really is, we’ll never make progress. But I know I’m in the minority here anyway.