Full Pay parents of math/music kids- what schools did you like best?

Hello!

Our daughter will enter college Fall of 2026. She thinks she wants to study math and music. D’s interested in studying music as an academic subject (theory, composition, etc…), rather than performance, but would like lots of opportunities to participate in performing arts casually. Her music EC’s (private piano lessons, musical theater, choir, etc…) have been a very rewarding social outlet. While she performs at a high level in math, I would not categorize her as advanced. She is not in need of an abundance of high-level graduate math classes as an undergraduate. D is a very serious student and attends an all-girls catholic high school. She has two siblings. We live near NYC.

D’s main preferences for college are, in order, 1) a kind and friendly student body, 2) low stress (she does NOT want to be in a high stress environment), 3) close to home (~4 hr. drive). Small class size is another preference - she likes to actively participate in her classes.

We do not qualify for financial aid and have serious reservations about spending $90k a year for college. We haven’t ruled it out completely but are struggling to decide which schools might be “worth it” (if any!). We would have to stretch and readjust. It would not be easy. I know from reading that many of you have done the same.

I agree with many posters on CC that we need to sort this out BEFORE she submits her applications. In fact, I’d love to get a better sense of this before we even plan our visits both to potentially save time and money as well as manage her expectations.

Here is our current list:
Yale, Brown, Tufts, Williams, Hamilton, Amherst, Vassar, Haverford, Boston College, Holy Cross, Oberlin, Kenyon, Case Western, William and Mary, Skidmore, U Rochester, Connecticut College, St Olaf.

We are only considering schools beyond a 4 hr. drive if they offer merit aid. She does not want to attend an all-girls college and we do not want her directly in NYC or Philadelphia (we’ve lived in both cities). I realize this is a rather ambitious list. We will make sure she applies to safeties that she really likes.

One of our biggest concerns, having never visited most of these schools, is the balance between serious students/academics and political climate. We’d prefer a campus with minimal political distractions. D is pretty apolitical. She’s very tolerant of different views and perspectives. We would like her around other students who can be respectful of different perspectives as well. While schools like Brown, Vassar, Oberlin and Haverford check a lot of boxes on our list, they have a reputation for being more politically vocal than other schools. We want to be sure we are exploring schools that can offer a positive and well-balanced atmosphere for our daughter.

We have already visited a handful, all self-guided tours:
Weslyan - she did not like the town or campus.
Swarthmore - We all really disliked the general vibe. D just wasn’t comfortable there.
Yale- She really liked everything about it.
Haverford - She also liked and felt very comfortable there.

We’ve tried to prioritize schools that have very strong academics, robust music opportunities (some obviously more than others), and a cooperative/less competitive learning environment. Full price at many of these schools is just so shocking. Then when we begin to compare different schools, for instance Yale vs Haverford, and what they offer for the same price… They are both excellent schools, just very different. Her father is inclined to draw a firm line after Yale and then move to only schools that offer merit. I’d like to think there are a few more on our list that might be worth the money. But that all remains to be seen. We just need to visit, get a feel, and go from there I suppose. I realize this is all very subjective - only we can decide what we value. That being said, I’d really appreciate feedback from folks who may have been in a similar situation and successfully made it to the other side. This all feels a bit surreal at this point.

Are there any must-see schools for a math/music kid that I may have missed? Any schools we may want to prioritize? Deprioritize? Avoid?

Thank you very much for reading this.

Is she considering any of the SUNY schools? Stony Brook could fulfill her needs. So might Bing.

I’m a little confused…you say you aren’t sure about $90,000 a year, but the schools on the list above will cost either that or close to it.

Case Western does give merit aid. William and Mary is a nice choice but not an easy admit for OOS students.

If she is looking at St. Olafs…what about Lawrence?

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Tufts came to mind for me. Williams, Skidmore. Curious why Yale is a priority. For schools with very generous aid, are you sure you don’t qualify for any financial aid? SUNY’s are relatively affordable and some have good music programs (for BM’s anyway).

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What about Bard? Great music, offers merit, within geographic range, not a cutthroat environment.

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Before I even saw your list I was thinking that St. Olaf ticks many of the boxes other than distance. If your D has the stats to be applying to Yale, she should see a good amount of merit $ at St. Olaf.

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Hi. Thank you. SUNY schools are a great suggestion and an area we probably should explore more. Most are close enough to home.

Is Lawrence in Iowa? I’ll look into it. Her preference is not to travel far. But I want her to have options.

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Lawrence is in Wisconsin.

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Hi. Thanks for highlighting those specific schools. It’s helpful.

As for Yale… We only visited Yale bc we were at Weslyan and we were trying to show her a variety of different campuses to get a feel for her preferences. Of course, as soon as we drove in her whole face lit up. Ugh! Ivy league is not a priority but some may be a good fit for her. She does have the stats to apply and give it a shot.

I am certain we do not qualify for financial aid.

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Thank you. I agree and seems to be a good reason to explore a good fit outside of her comfort zone.

But St. Olaf is in Minnesota. (Edit to correct state of location).

I suggested Lawrence because they actually allow and encourage students who want to participate in the arts and something else.

University of Rochester and Case Western sound like they could meet your daughter’s needs. Depending on the strength of her application, she could receive merit aid at both.

Have you considered Ithaca?

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Thank you. Bard has been on and off my list multiple times for her. It definitely checks a lot of boxes as you mention. Currently off the list b/c I am being a bit picky and worry that it may be too isolated for her personality. Same for Ithaca. And I have similar reservations about Williams. It’s a great suggestion and we may include a visit if we visit Vassar.

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St. Olaf is in Minnesota

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It’s only a 40 minute drive between the schools, so good idea to visit both.

My 2 cents is that it is much harder to find target/safety schools, so it is much more important to focus on them – meaning, more important to visit them, than reaches. The reaches are easy to find! I also think that it’s a good idea to cast a wide net at this stage when merit is in the picture.

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That’s what I meant to put. I edited my post to say that St. Olaf is in Minnesota…Lawrence is in Wisconsin.

But really, if this student is looking at one, they might want to consider the other.

Both offer merit scholarships, and have great music opportunities for all students.

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Macalester is also in the midwest, but offers merit. It checks a lot of the boxes - great school (probably a target).

Kalamazoo as a safety? In MI - she’d get a lot of money. Beloit College also.

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I think most of those places sound fine. I’d worry less about the political vibe and more about the musical opportunities, class sizes, and overall culture. But I think St Olaf should be very high on your list for vibe and merit and musical reasons. She might also like Dickinson, maybe even Brandeis (although they have recently opted to eliminate their music PhD program for budget reasons). In the reachier zone, I have a very soft spot in my heart for Princeton and their glee club director is extraordinarily good. Small class sizes, superb math department, etc. It’s a reach for everyone but worth every penny. If she likes Yale and is competitive for schools like Yale and Brown, Princeton should be on her list.

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Maybe check out College of Wooster. They’re quite strong in music and also in STeM (no engineering), and the particular emphasis on undergraduate research could provide great opportunities to pursue areas of overlap between math and music, with lots of great mentoring available. Plus, they’re generous with merit and relatively apolitical as far as I’m aware.

Gettysburg could be worth a look too. And if you’re looking as far south as W&M, consider U of Richmond also.

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S24 is at Williams and has a lot of similar thoughts. The math and science classes are small and his professors all know him by name. He has found many music opportunities. If you search my name you will see we had similar issues which what school is worth the money and Williams definitely is. The only issue so far is that the workload is very intense. He also considered macalaster and Emory (both are more than 4 hours from nyc), brown, northeastern and skidmore (he also considered some music performance programs).

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For some of your criteria, these Princeton Review survey-based sites may be of interest:

https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings/?rankings=friendliest-students

This list is more general, but I’d think would be worth a view:

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Thanks merc81. I see Hamilton makes both lists. I’m not sure whether or not Hamilton would be a good choice for us financially, but eveything I’ve read about it makes me think it would be a very good fit for D’s interests and needs.