<p>What are you talking about in both of your points? Do you despise religion and people who believe in God?</p>
<p>Some people do not understand the concept of “holiness” and some, more to the point, wish to destroy it.</p>
<p>mini thinks using examples from distant centuries is a great way to bolster his arguments because it apparently shows he is much more learned than the rest of us poor slobs.</p>
<p>It just seems to me that this parade in Jerusalem is about ****ing in peoples faces, and not about the right to be gay</p>
<p>You are correct in that assessment, imo.</p>
<p>So you cannot be a jew and gay?</p>
<p>Are the marchers from out of town (country)? </p>
<p>I might object if US citizens went to Jslam to parade, but a gay person who is a citizen of that country I absolutely support. Especially if they went to the trouble of registering the parade and following the rules in place. </p>
<p>I would think you would honor a march of what ever cause you believed in say… anti semitism in Jslam right? </p>
<p>Living in a free society means allowing decenting voices. </p>
<p>Your stance could be construed to be closer to the Chinise Governments reactions to dissent at Tsquare. Do you want to call in the tanks?</p>
<p>Since I happen to have been born Jewish and have relatives in Jerusalem, and since a gay Vatican seems to have existed in contemporary times, as do prostitutes in Jerusalem <a href=“Satellite News and latest stories | The Jerusalem Post”>Satellite News and latest stories | The Jerusalem Post, I think if we are looking to express religious values, we might start by focusing on the killing of children.</p>
<p>Its an international parade in Jerusalem. There is a regular more local gay parade in J’lem and although I feel that thats wrong too, its not nearly as bad as having this international one. </p>
<p>Ofcourse, you can be a Jew and be gay. But their are somethings in Judaism that are considered fundamental to life and this gay parade will flaunt to the holiest jewish city in the world values that are exactly opposite to that of judaism, andf the values i am talking about are a family, a family life with children and mother and a father. Those things are inherent to Judaism.</p>
<p>By all means if gays want to sodomize eachother in the privacy of their own homes in Jerusalem fine. Let them do that. But have a parade, an international parade at that, takes it to a whole different level. This is more about politics and really trampling on religion and tradition that about gay rights. Think about the ramifications for gays if they can hold a parade in the holiest of cities. A gay parade in J’lem really disgraces the city and its holy power. Its hard for you to understand becasue youve never been there. I assume you are not jewish because you would really then understand the power of the city, how meaningful it is. There are jews who obviously support this parade but they themselves are really simply just anti-religion or are doing it to spite religion.</p>
<p>A parade in J’lem against anti-semitism, or against the government is completely different than a gay pride parade. You really have to look at what the city is to understand. And i think you do realize how innapproriate it is, but what seems to be holding you back is that denying them the right to march in J’lem will be somehow undemocratic. </p>
<p>Again I am disturbed by how you can suggest my stance is like the Chin. Gov’t stancea Tsquare. I just feel it is unfair to characterize me like a bigot or a tyrannt when I am really just asking people to have an open mind and to have sensibilities to people like me and others who do not want the holiest city on earth violated like this.</p>
<p>I would like to state that, for the record, I am not for the killing of children, in war or at any other time. I am not a proponent of killing human beings, period. In my heart I do not believe that voting for Bush or the Republican party makes me a child killer.</p>
<p>By the way, I agree with you (and have noted that the Clinton/Albright regime killed way more children under age 5 than ALL of the deaths caused by the actions taken by the Bush Administration in Iraq and Afghanistan in the past 6 years.) </p>
<p>I am no fan of murderous Democrats.</p>
<p>golani, chill. And remember, it was Jewish attorneys who fought for the right of the Nazis to march through Skokie Illinois. If you don’t know about that, read up about it. And learn what it means to live in a country that believes in the right of free speech.</p>
<p>I do know about that and again I am talking about something else. Jerusalem is not Skokie Illinois. Jerusalem again is a holy city. If gays want to march in Skokie by all means let them.</p>
<p>Please ignore mini she is simply a dishonest person who keeps trying to say something vieled and bad about Israel and religion etc…For some reason she just really despises it.</p>
<p>judaism is very accepting of gay people (i know several gay rabbis), so it shouldnt offend anyone of the jewish faith to have a gay pride parade there.</p>
<p>Alot of people would disagree with that. None is saying you cant be jewish and gay. No one is saying that gays dont have a rite to their own parade. I am saying that people should be open minded and have sensivlities towards doing that in jerusalem because im gonna say for the millionth time Jerusalem is not new york, its not paris, its not Skokee, its not Tel Aviv either. Its a holy city where the people should not ahve to be subjected to a parade where gays will flaunt values opposing those of judaism</p>
<p>golani, you totally, absolutely missed my point. I think either on purpose, or because you are simply unable to grasp the idea that sometimes in democracy you have to put up with someone else’s unpleasantness because it’s their right to be unpleasant to you. And the minute you deny that right, your own right is threatened. The fact that Jerusalem is a holy city to believers does not change that fact. Now, is this a provocation by the gay group? Maybe. But so was the Nazis plan to march through Skokie. And the very people who were supposed to be provoked by it were the one to make sure the march took place.</p>
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<p>Mini, you really are disgusting. I read that article in Yedinot Aranot a long time ago, but for what purpose other than to throw slime and sleaze on religious people you would post this article I do not know. You despise religion, you despise people who believe in God and you want to do things to htem that offends them. Perhaps you read some of the articles coming out of Yedinot Aranot a few days later that these flyers were defintevely determined to be put out by a bunch of tactless, ugly pranksters. Why dont you open your mind for once in your life to people who are different from you and believe in things differnt from you. </p>
<p>This is part of the letter distributed by these pranksters “During this parade, 300,000 corrupt animals are anticipated to march through the holy city of Jerusalem, waiting avidly for the chance to put themselves on display before our children and our sacred Torah. They will try as hard as they can to defile as many of our innocent children as they can.”</p>
<p>This is exactly what this gay parade is trying to accomplish. There would be no reason to do something like this in Jerusalem other than to spit in their faces.</p>
<p>“Perhaps you read some of the articles coming out of Yedinot Aranot a few days later that these flyers were defintevely determined to be put out by a bunch of tactless, ugly pranksters.”</p>
<p>That’s the whole point. When you have a society where a large proportion of the population is ready to express its intolerance, they are set up for “tactless, ugly pranksters.” Fascists, too.</p>
<p>You don’t know the first thing about my religion.</p>
<p>The haredim have their own problems, but there are prankster like that everywhere. Kids in almsot any society would be capable of putting out posters like that. But please do not characterize this group of people as most of them being ready to express intolerance. You dont have a complete understanding of who they are and what they stand for. They are much more complex that you can imagine.</p>
<p>"I am saying that people should be open minded and have sensivlities "</p>
<p>Including yourself? 
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<p>I did not call you a bigot or homophobe. If I were against something and felt as strongly as you do, I would not honor it with my presence. I do not go to GOP rallies because I do not share their beliefs. I want no part, but they should be able to meet, just without me. </p>
<p>If I came across them on the street, I would turn my back and leave. I want no part. They cannot have an impact on me, if I choose not to care. </p>
<p>If according to you, the gays are doing this to outrage, don’t you have to find somebody to outrage? If those they want to outrage don’t get outraged or stay away… who won? Negative attiention is still attiention, so they are winning simply by making you upset.</p>
<p>You are right, but its hard for us not to be upset and easy for you not to understand. No matter what kind of opposition we voice the parade will be loud, its presence will be felt etc It will be inescapable on nov 10</p>