<p>No I understand and empathize with your concerns. However, once you understand that your outrage fuels the things you disagree with, you’ll approach them differently. Most people want to be liked or even disliked, what hurts the deepest is indifference or lack of concern for. </p>
<p>If you believe these rallies are to outrage and embarass, feeding them doesn’t make them go away.</p>
<p>It’s a different type of disapproval. I disapprove by not caring, listening or considering, your cause doesn’t matter. try that sometimes, it drives people nuts.</p>
<p>You are right, and I understand what you are trying to say, but the problem is that if we Jews and even Christians who are against this turn our back to this, the parade will go on. It will known throughout the city. Its holiness will impaired. Children and adults and people will see this, they will see the flauntin of a lifestyle that goes against a family life. Its wrong to do in Jerusalem. Please let them have their parade in Tel Aviv or Amsterdam or New York, but Jerusalem is not the right place</p>
<p>I can’t believe the intolerant posts I’m seeing. Because someone is gay, they are anti-family?? If they were allowed to marry, they would have families.</p>
<p>I know two people well who live in Jerusalem. Nicest people you would ever want to meet. They have two lovely little girls by artificial insemination and live as a family. Both of the parents are female and, I believe, had a commitment ceremony in the US. As we used to say in the 60s–big hairy deal.</p>
<p>Well the parades usually show transexuals and gays wearing almost nothing prancing around and then being gay really clashes with the traditional family unit</p>
<p>golani–these are two separate issues. If heterosexuals weren’t allowed to marry they would probably have in-your-face parades too. I am sorry there are people who have no modesty, but this has no bearing on the rest of humanity being allowed to live in peace. </p>
<p>And as far as “traditional family units” as you call them–what don’t we just outlaw divorce? I believe this phenomenon is far more harmful to children than the sex of their parents. A family is the people who love each other, and these days it may be a grandparent raising the children, a single parent, or two loving parents of either sex.</p>
<p>A generation ago, in some parts of the country, it was illegal for persons of different “races” to marry. Miscegnation was looked on in shock by many people, and I remember this. Times change, and occasionally for the better. If we would all be more compassionate, there would be no need for people to “prance around” to draw attention to their cause.</p>
<p>Look all i am saying its not fair, its intolerant, and close minded to hold the parade in jerusalem. This is not even a local ting its international. Why cant they choose a diff city like tel aviv, which is the financial capital of israel, ithas more people etc</p>
<p>Explain to me how a gay parade makes a holy city less holy.</p>
<p>And to say holding a gay parade is intolerant while decrying the gay parade on the basis of the supposed unholiness of homosexuality is incredibly hypocritical.</p>
<p>very simple. Homosexuality goes against many Jewish principles-some of which are extremely important such as marriage, having children, family life, modesty etc…This parade occurs in the holiest city in the world for jews, through the streets and alleys of very religious people who do not want their kids at such a young age to be exposed to some of their ideas. This parade flaunts homosexuality, it prances around transexuals and gays who are scantily clad, its parades the idea of the “anti-family”. Jerusalem is just not the place for this parade. Everything has its own time and place. Let me explain why what I am saying is not hypocritical. Not once did I say that gays should not be allowed to have their parade, although I think its a little ridiculous sorta like a straight parade, by all means let the gays go 45 min west and into Tel Aviv, Israels biggest city and financial capital or into NYC, the capital of the world, or Amsterdam or Paris or London, but I ask and others ask that it not be done in J’lem because it hurt certain sensibilities and offends others. A gay parade can be held anywhere but J’lem is only in one place. So its intolerant to hold a parade in the city when it hurts the Muslim, Christian, and Jewish residents of the city, and even more general it hurts jews christians and muslims all over the world. For this gays this is not as much a parade as it is a slap in the face to religion, to traditionalism, and what better place to do that than Jerusalem? I would never imagine a gay parade to be allowed in Mecca or even Vatican City regardless of how many gay popes there were</p>
<p>The fact that I can’t imagine a gay rights parade in Mecca but can imagine one in Jerusalem says a lot about my perception of Jews as being more open, tolerant, and prone to open-mindedness.</p>
<p>Please don’t try to change that thinking. I like it.</p>
<p>The last international gay parade WAS in Rome, and attracted more than a half a million people.</p>
<p>"Rome mayor Francesco Rutelli said on Wednesday a World Gay Pride festival would go ahead in Rome in July despite the Vatican’s opposition but he urged the organisers to spare the feelings of “an old Pope.”</p>
<p>"An Italian Cabinet member has shattered a taboo by publicly declaring himself bisexual amid the growing furor over World Gay Pride week. Very few public figures in Italy outside the fashion world are openly anything but heterosexual and Agriculture Minister Alfonso Pecoraro Scanio was praised for his courage.</p>
<p>“He broke a taboo,” the daily newspaper La Repubblica said Friday. Pecoraro Scanio said the church is wrong to oppose the event. “I don’t see where the offense to religion is,” he said. “The church, instead, is trying to portray Gay Pride as some sort of ‘sex’ show.”</p>
<p>“A French Catholic Bishop has been ordered by the Pope not to take part in a conference being organised in Rome on Monday on religion and homosexuals. The event is part of World Pride Week, the first international Gay Pride meeting. Bishop Jacques Gaillot said he had been personally ordered by the Pope not to take part in the meeting in a Rome hotel.”</p>
<p>“Gay marriage is already legal in several European countries, including traditionally Catholic Spain.”</p>
<p>Golani said, “Homosexuality goes against many Jewish principles-some of which are extremely important such as marriage, having children, family life, modesty etc…”</p>
<p>Some of us are trying to explain to you that gays have these same values. God made homosexuals and He must have known what He was doing–why are you trying to deny them their rights as human beings to love, marry, and form a family?</p>
<p>Good. You have made my point. This parade was held in rome and not vatican city. Likewise i am saying that this parade should be held in tel aviv. Otherwise please explain the relevence of the crap you just posted</p>
<p>Hold on i am trying to deny them the ability to parade in jlem. Also homosexuality does go against forming a family because the family you form as a homosexual is compltetly unnatural and not normal and not one with jewish values. This isnt saying gay people are bad, but lets really call it like it is. What theyre doing is not what the traditional family does</p>
<p>Most traditional Biblical familes, if we are to take that collection of legends at face value, were polygamous. Yet I suspect that virtually all the couples of any sexual persuasion in Jerusalem are monogamous. Should we forbid them from living in the city because they are an affront to the “traditional family?” A gay family is unusual only to the extent that a black-white family or a mixed-creed family is.</p>
<p>You still haven’t told us what exactly you object to about homosexuals, particularly those in exclusive loving relationships. The majority of the world’s gays * want* “marriage, having children, family life, modesty etc” and if you think it would really be a “slap in the face” to some of the world’s benighted traditionalists to let them have it then by God let’s slap them.</p>
<p>Most polls of gay people do not indicate that thats what they want. But thats irrelevant. Polygamy is outlawed in judaism. It was odne away with in the Rishonsim era and the rabbincal era in which the banning of polygamy is in accordance with the bible and it carries as much weight as anyother law in the bible. Thus a polygamous parade would also not hold in jerusalem. Also I dont have to tell you if or what I object to about homos. Its a matter of jerusalem not being the right place for a gay parade. Thats all. Its not fair to its inhabitants, and to religious peopel around the world</p>
<p>I’m still trying to figure out what “Jewish values” golani refers to. Deeds of loving-kindness? giving charity? loving your neighbor as yourself? Prayer?</p>
<p>I mentioned the jewish values already. Just re-read my posts. But none of that is important. I just dont understand why it is so necessary to do this parade in Jerusalem. Where is the openmindedness of the left or of people in general. All I am saying is that Jerusalem is not the place for a gay parade. Thats all. Why cant the parade orginizers come to some kind of agreement or compromise for the sake of religion and the holiness of the city. Because in the holiest city in the world, for jews and some christians, on nov 10 there will be gay people marching. Although homosexuality is not against Judaism, sodomy is. And certaintly many of those have committed sodomy. But again sodomy or homosexuality is not the point.</p>
<p>By their very nature, this homosexual parade will not be calling for or supporting or flaunting the values of marriage between man and woman, the value of having your own children, the value of raising them in a proper home-father and mother. This parade will go against the value of modesty etc…This is why I ask that the parade be in a different city. I am not telling gays to not live in j’lem or display affection in public as long as it is reasonable, just like hetero couple. </p>
<p>The bottom line is no one is stopping gays from doing what they do, and no one is stopping religious from doing what they do, but i think the religious sector deserves this concession from the gay community. Its really not fair to them. As I said before there are many many cities, but only one Jerusalem. So why did they choose J’lem in the first place?</p>
<p>Because it is a spit in the face. A spit in the face to tradition, to religion etc. They dont need to hold a parade in J’lem. Its not a big city. Its not the biggest city in Israel, but look at what it represents. If gays march there they get right at the heart of anti-sodomy of anti-gay marriage. They get into the eyes of children, of men, of women, who will be upset by seeing this. They get into Gods city defile it by what they flaunt. </p>
<p>There is no intoleronce to the gay community, this is intolerance to religious community, to traditionalist. Everything has its time and place. Jlem is not the place for a gay parade.</p>
<p><…this is intolerance to the religious community…></p>
<p>But gays are not called upon to display tolerance toward other people’s “moral sensibilities” (to quote another poster). Deeds of loving-kindness and charity and loving your neighbor as yourself are okay for all those poor moral saps out there, but not necessary for them! They are <em>special</em>! They have a different sexual orientation!</p>