General Advice for New Applicants

<p>Hey guys, this is my first post on College Confidential in a long time. I was casually browsing my new favorite website when I came across a wonderful piece of advice from one of my friends about applying to college in the US. It aptly summarizes what I believed in during my application process and what I feel others, especially international students, should know. So here goes:</p>

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<p>I do differ with him a bit on the numbers, but not so much as to invalidate his claims. For the most part, though, I agree. I might add an addendum about what to expect once you get in university and how a public school might be different from a private school and which one is better for you, later. In my previous lurking sessions on Indian forum on CC, I have seen a lot of people asking questions that might be answered by this and I hope this will provide a general sense of direction to new applicants for 2017/18 (or later). I’ll try to reply to any questions that any of you might have.</p>

<p>Also, COME TO BERKELEY. Shameles bump for my university.</p>

<p>Addendum:</p>

<p>I feel like my friend talked about this in the post above, but a quick Ctrl+F didn’t show up any results and I wanted to talk about it anyway, so here goes. In very succinct and crude terms, colleges want a well rounded student body and not a well rounded student. </p>

<p>Picking up from the “Social Service” point above, many applicants, in 11th or 12th grade think that suddenly showing an empathetic side by doing ‘social service’ at an old age home or a animal shelter will make up for their application in a part where it might be lacking and add another achievement to their already long list. Sure, those inconsistent instances of social services might help the needy, but is it really something to tout about on your college application? Maybe.</p>

<p>It depends on how you craft your application. Are you applying for a particular major? Are most of your extracurriculars related to a particular interest that you want to pursue in college? If you are applying for Mechanical Engineering at Berkeley and have participated, on occasion, in Olympiads and competitions, and would rather enjoy drawing a machine than drawing a tree, does it really help you if you have 30 hours of social service on your application? Again, Maybe. If you have nothing else to show for your interest in Mechanical Engineering and don’t really have a hobby which you’ve stuck with for a long time, sure. GO ahead and put it. If not, you should realize that there are far more people out there who actually love doing social service and have been doing so for a really long time. A significant part of their experiences and lives revolve around it and so they are in a much better position than you to tout about it as their strong point. Remember, Berkeley wants a well rounded student body. It would much rather want you to fill up the parking spots reserved for Nobel Laureates than having to live with the satisfaction that you are just a dilettante who feigns interest in areas that might be appreciated. Of course, this example of mine was extreme, but I hope the point was clear.</p>

<p>Sometimes, you might find yourself very interested in pursuing a particular field of study at university that may be very different from what you have been doing. Personally, I wanted to study Mechanical Engineering, but I didn’t really have anything much to show for it. Never did I ever play with Legos blocks to build machines. Nor did I fantasize about the workings of the Large Hadron Collider. What I really did with all my spare time in high school was, to write. Now you may ask, how do I justify my passion for what I am saying? The answer is, let your hobby do the talking. I centered my application around my love for writing. My extracurriculars, my awards, my essays (even my recommendations, as I later found out) were all focused on my feelings for writing and my writing projects. Yet, my intended major was mechanical engineering. The point of this entire paragraph is that colleges look for commitment. Life, is commitment. Does your application show your commitment towards your various hobbies over time? Also, as a side note, do realize that if you try to relate your hobbies to your intended field of study, it makes your job of trying to sell yourself a lot easier.</p>

<p>Finally, I’ll talk about you. You as a person. On paper. Your application is the only way colleges get to judge you. You may realize how ridiculously difficult that is; almost along the lines of judging a book by its cover. However, that’s all you have got. So everything boils down to how you present yourself. How do you write your essay? What extracurriculars do you showcase? Which awards do you talk about? Is your essay blatantly obvious about your achievements (which it shouldn’t be) or does it subtly imply your interest while keeping the reader engaged? Does everything in application gel together? Here’s an analogy that I just came up with: Imagine your application like a gift. You’ve got to decide the wrapping paper. The card. The tape. The glitter. The scent (if you’re into those kind of gifts). Admissions officers judge if everything works together. A rainbow of colors? That’s too overwhelming for the eyes - this kid is spread too far thin. One single color for everything? Too boring - this kid is in too deep. Two shades? One shade with a slight tinge of another color? That kind of looks good.</p>

<p>The college is shopping for its freshman class. How well can your inner salesman sell his best product - himself?</p>

<p>I realize that this might sound too difficult. Might not seem worth the time. But we’re talking about the world’s oldest, costliest and arguably best universities here. We’re talking about an international experience. A new way of education (for most internationals). You don’t get that without a fight. So go out there and sell yourself. Be yourself.</p>

<p>Thank You.</p>

<p>Hey Tizil</p>

<p>Excellent post!!! Wonderful, both the idea and the words. Love the magnanimity behind the post.</p>

<p>How are you doing at Berkley? I am sure they are as glad to have you there as you are to be with them. Midterms should be on right now and then heading for a short Fall break. I am sure it what you had hoped for and more. </p>

<p>Wishing you well. Blessings.</p>

<p>Hey Anialways!</p>

<p>Thanks for your kind words :)</p>

<p>Berkeley is amazing. It is everything I hoped college would be. There’s a lot of work. I feel a lot more responsible because I’m in charge of my life and feel closer than ever what I imagine life as an adult would be. In short, I’m surprised by the amount of control I have over my life as an individual and I feel empowered to do stuff that I feel best deserves my time :)</p>

<p>Two of my four classes have two rounds of midterms. I just got over with my first round, so I have “fall break” of sorts. Also, thanksgiving is round the corner.</p>

<p>Thanks once again!</p>

<p>^How many classes does a freshman in Berkeley normally take in the first semester?</p>

<p>^Its pretty early to think about that.</p>

<p>General Advice: Keep calm and listen to what Tizil7 and the parents have to say.</p>

<p>Hey abs</p>

<p>Most colleges offer 18-21 credits per semester. For understanding purposes, each class=4credits. That means most freshman will end up taking 4 classes in the first semester.</p>

<p>Let me try to expand on that. Each credit= 1hour of class approximately.</p>

<p>So a 4 credit class will have, roughly, 2 lectures + 1 lab/Recitaion= 3 sessions per week.</p>

<p>Which means four 4 credit classes = 12 sessions per week. </p>

<p>The duration of session varies from college to college. For eg. Since my D goes to NYU, I can tell you specifically about that, each classroom session is for 1 hour 15 minutes.</p>

<p>Hope that helps.</p>

<p>Abscalc, it depends widely.</p>

<p>The students who come in head strong take about 20. Most in the college of engineering take about 15-16.</p>

<p>L&S students average around 13-14</p>

<p>I’d say that the average would be 15.</p>

<p>However, there’s no way to officially validate these claims, and I should say they are based on the small sample set of ~300 people that I’ve met and asked.</p>

<p>Also, as Anialways said, colleges usually have different ‘session’ timings. At Berkeley, all lectures and discussions sections (supplement to the lectures) are both 50 minutes long. Labs vary from 2 hours for the sciences to 3 hours for engineering.</p>

<p>Here’s something from today that I think perfectly embodies Berkeley and it’s culture: [What</a> is a feature?](<a href=“http://cl.ly/image/1p1u2y3B242O]What”>http://cl.ly/image/1p1u2y3B242O)</p>

<p>@Tizil - Glad you are doing well at Berkeley. Thanks for helping the other folks, whenever possible. Good luck with everything and enjoy your first US thanksgiving!</p>

<p>Thanks F16Parent! I fully intend to do so, but right now, I’m all geared to experience my first Halloween :)</p>

<p>Also, if anyone has any question, please ask and I’ll do my best to answer!</p>

<p>Hey Tizil7, Thanks for the valuable information provided. I just have one question:
As you said “In India, it is often the case, that people score unusually high marks in class 10, then plunge in class 11 and kind of recover in 12th.”… This pretty much applies to me… My question is how bad is it gonna affect my chances? Any way to make good what I lost?</p>

<p>Led, the answer depends on two things. “Plunge” and and “recover” are very subjective terms. For example, say a person usually gets around 90%, plunges to 80% in the 11th grade and recovers to around 85% or even 90% in twelfth grade, I’d imagine it would not be a big deal.</p>

<p>Any kind of huge recovery shows that a person is willing to work. Hard work matters and is recognised. So it depends on the numbers and how they supplement the rest of your application. Are academics the only strong point of your application? If no, then the drop shouldn’t affect you much, otherwise, maybe.</p>

<p>Unless the drop is huge, don’t feel the need to explain it.</p>

<p>@ Tizil7
Plz chance me for Berkeley
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/india/1391931-chance-indian-applicant.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/india/1391931-chance-indian-applicant.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Well yeah the drop is really huge! From a 95% to 64%… Should I explain the reason or is my school counsellor the better person to do so?
Thanks!</p>

<p>One of the most important thing is our application essay and compilation of other extra curricular activities. i want to see a real application of a student who got into a top university like MIT or U.C Berkely, or Caltech etc. Can u please show me some???
Thanks</p>