Help me strengthen my applications for college. (Living in the US, not a citizen)

I’m an Indian female freshman going to a very highly ranked competitive public HS in NJ (not feeder but over 50% gets into T30). I moved from Dubai in 2015/2016, parents applying for green card, I not know any other information about the status or anything

I want to be a dentist and getting into a direct dental program would be great but not the biggest problem if I don’t (parents have no problem paying for any T30, they would be very happy if I got into Rutgers, income <$250K, only child)

As of now my ecs are related to business (business club, fbla) but I want to major in biology or even environmental science so is there any ecs that mainly relates to these?

Also parents want me to do CS as backup because there are many jobs in the field but I’m not interested at all, I have no experience in programming and rather do business as back up

Overall any advice on how the application process will be for me and what in terms for ecs and strengthen my app

Great grades - you can get into college without them, but they’re always a help (and often times financially)

Great test score

Be you - that means, if your interest is in business clubs, great. But if it’s animals, walk dogs at the pound. If service, join a service group and do a garden or beach cleanup every month. Tutoring kids - do that. If a sport or musical instrument, do that.

When you get a bit older - get a job - McDonalds, grocery store, dental office…wherever.

Any sort of shadowing type stuff - great…if you can find it in HS. If not, great too. I wouldn’t worry.

Be you - but the best you that you can be with a huge focus on the academics - be challenged but don’t over challenge. Be involved - but your academics are a priority - and get involved where you want, not where your parents want.

Be a kid - have friends, hang out, get some sleep, etc.

Good luck

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How much are they willing to pay for a non T30? Do they know it costs $360k currently and will cost more in 4 years? It’s still early, but they should figure out their budget by the end of your junior year.

Are they aware there’s not a huge difference (except fit-wise) between what USNews ranks as say #25 vs say #35?

I am a CS grad and work in tech. If you have no interest in programming, don’t pursue CS. Follow your heart and do business. There are plenty of opportunities in that field.
But again - you’re only a freshman, and your interests will likely evolve in 3 years.

due to my visa status I can’t get paid through a check :frowning:

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So my two cents is ECs are an opportunity to stand out by NOT being formulaic.

Like, if you are applying saying you have an interest in Biology or a pre-dental track, obviously you want to take advanced Bio classes and do well, possibly advanced Math, Chemistry, and/or Physics and do well, as well as a generally rigorous college prep schedule and do well. You also want to develop some teacher relationships that can become strong recommendations, and get a good ACT or SAT score if possible.

So that’s the more formulaic part.

Then with ECs, you can stand out by NOT doing what all the other kids with good academic records are doing to try to impress colleges. And necessarily, what that means depends on you, what you are interested in, what you like, and so on.

But one tip is to get outside the box of prep schools and people applying to college and see what, say, adults in your community are doing. Like, I am sure there are some sort of local environmental groups in your community. If that is really a passion of yours, maybe see if they have any volunteer opportunities.

I’d also say with an interest in dentistry, ideally you would spend some time in a dental office of some sort. Maybe you can shadow, say.

But that is just two suggestions based on what little I know about you. Definitely do not get trapped into thinking ECs have to be academic in nature or particularly related to your current academic interests. Indeed, I think sometimes people forget that dentists, and many other such people, are professionals, and professionals are expected to have a pretty broad range of both education and skills beyond just the technical knowledge they need.

So, like, if business is actually a passion of yours, no problem, because dentists are often small business owners or business partners. But I would strongly urge you to explore that interest outside of just kid stuff like competitions and clubs for kids. Like, get an actual job! See from the inside what it is like to operate a for-profit business, dealing with customers, suppliers, staff, and so on. [Edit: Even if you can’t get paid due to visa status, you might be able to do a volunteer job.]

But dentists also just spend a lot of time chatting with patients, making them feel comfortable, and helping them open up about possibly health-related issues. So really anything that involves you interacting with others in an interesting way is a good experience for a future dentist.

Indeed, for people who really don’t have any great ideas about what to do for ECs, I like to suggest they do something like look at their local community center or library, and see what activities are being organized. Getting involved in anything like that is again going to be a great experience because you will likely meet some interesting people and really develop your personal skills. So, like, you might join a book club, and none of the other members will be school kids. That would be fantastic, because practicing interacting comfortably and conversationally with people not like you is a great thing for a future dentist.

OK, so that is a lot, but I hope my point is clear. Don’t get trapped into thinking you need to do what all the other competitive kids are doing–that is self-defeating thinking. Figure out whatever it is that you really like doing, and then look broadly outside of the narrow box all those kids are staying inside. And that might actually help you stand out.

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If I don’t get into a T30, they will pay for anything in state including rutgers, tcnj, etc. They prefer me getting scholarships but money is not the biggest concern right now and more on my education even if that means paying a high price. We will probably find a cheaper undergrad college and save the money for higher education/dental school for now

Thank you so much for your insight, I really appreciate it. This summer I was planning on contacting local dentists and specialists. Also I forgot to mention I do volunteer at the library as an executive member of the Teen Advisory Board but I felt like that was a very low tier activity as opposed to some others.

As a foreign non-immigrant, unfortunately she cannot. But she can certainly volunteer, shadow, etc. All are great ways to build ECs and do something interesting or fulfilling.

Yes that’s a good approach.

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There are many more than 30 top 30s - different rankings, then ranking by major, etc.

If you’re going to dental school or medical or law, it doesn’t matter.

And frankly, to tell you that (top 30) and you are a freshman, it doesn’t matter.

Because it takes three years to see who you are…and then sometimes longer to see what you want.

I want to find the top 30 (and then cull it down to 20 or less) for AnBo1…not mom or US News, etc.

But all that talk this early is foolish.

But being the best you - academically, socially, EC wise - is relevant now.

You being the focus - what are you interested in contributing to outside the classroom? PIck one thing to start, maybe two and see how the school year goes with that.

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To me this sounds like a promising start. If you only do that, maybe it will only have limited impact. But if you actually do not-kid things at the library as an outgrowth of your interests, that could get interesting.

I would briefly emphasize two things.

The fact this is a “teen” advisory board signals this is something designed for kids to do. I again suggest you really think about getting outside of that box of activities-for-kids if possible.

I would also try to remove thoughts about “tiers” of activities. Again, that maybe makes sense when you are doing the normal things a gazillion kids also do, and you can only try to distinguish yourself by doing it at a higher level than most kids. But if you are outside of that box, usually that notion will disappear as no longer meaningful–which is great, it means you do not have to try to beat out a bunch of other smart and ambitious kids to get value out of the activity.

Indeed, another thought I like to mention is trying to think not in terms of “impressive” activities, but rather “interesting” activities.

It is very hard to actually impress colleges with the same sorts of activities a gazillion other kids do. But if you do something truly interesting to them, not something they see ten times before lunch, then ironically that is also impressive. Not in the sense you have emerged victorious in the college admissions Hunger Games, but in the sense you had the maturity, confidence, and self-motivation to do something kids are normally reluctant to do.

Anyway, I’d just think about truly interesting things you might be able to do at the library, and not worry about “tiers”.

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You might enjoy taking a class at Ohio State’s Stone Lab.

I’m not sure how your international status would affect eligibility to register or for possible program scholarship. If you are interested ask them, but make sure they know you are attending a US high school.

Read a lot. It’s difficult to make up for the lack of a history of having read tons, when taking SAT/ACT.

Get top grades in school, and take the highest level classes you can take.

Find out if you have the manual dexterity and the spatial perception ability to do dentistry. You have to be able to rotate figures in your mind, work using mirror images, etc. This is one of those things that a person with pretty good ability can improve, but a person with poor natural ability just won’t be able to do. Look up the DAT perceptual ability test.

See if you can get a job in a dental office, when you turn 16.

Realize that your best bet, by far, is going to be Rutgers or TCNJ, because of cost. If you can get a very high score on the PSAT (and you can prep for this, starting in 10th grade, to do so), you can get a full free ride at certain schools, including U of Alabama, which would save your family a ton of money. You can get into any dental school from there, if you have excellent grades and a high DAT score.

Do extracurricular activities that you love, whatever you want.

Paying for a private T30 or even tippy top is not worth it, unless you want something like becoming the editor of the NYT or a SC justice, or a politician, where connections really count. In which case, you should try to transfer to a top prep school for next year, where you can start making those extremely important social connections. For something like dental school, or almost anything else, you can do just fine coming from public high school and Rutgers.

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I am assuming that you family is currently here on a temporary work visa. Different public universities in the US have different rules concerning in-state students who are here either on a temporary visa or illegally. You might want to check what the rules are for the public universities in New Jersey.

I agree that Rutgers is a very good university and a good choice for a bachelor’s degree. I either know, or have worked with, or have studied with (in graduate school) a lot of Rutgers graduates and they have all made the point that you can do well with a degree from Rutgers.

If you get your permanent resident visa (aka green card) before it is time to apply to universities that might help. If you are currently a freshman in high school it seems likely that there may be time to get this completed before you sent in applications to universities. Even if you don’t, there may be some good options in the US for a bachelor’s degree. If you first get a four year bachelor’s degree and then apply to dental graduate programs, then it would likely be a big advantage if you can get your green card before applying to graduate programs. Once you get your permanent resident visa, for the purpose of applying to university in the US, and for the purpose of getting a job in the US (assuming you avoid jobs that require military clearance), you are in the same category as a US citizen.

If you have no interest in CS, then I would not study CS. Personally I find high tech, mathematics, and computer science to be great fun, but these subjects are definitely not for everyone. If you do not want to do it, then you are not likely to do it well. Both computer science and mathematics are areas where if you do it badly, it will be way too obvious (this might be true in dentistry also!).

Otherwise I agree with the advice that @tsbna44 gives above. Get great grades and be authentic. Be yourself. Whatever you do, do it well. Treat people fairly. Have faith that this will work out.

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OP will not be considered in-state by NJ public schools (I’m assuming she’s on an H4 visa and may switch to an F1).

Other OOS public schools may turn out to be cheaper with merit.

Hi I already take as many honors possible in main classes (math, language arts, biology and world history) the other classes are electives, gym, world language will dont allow honors but i feel like I’m just cruising through high school and so do my parents. After school, I have a club and then come back at 4, do homework/study for tests until 7, eat dinner and sleep. I feel like I’m not pushing myself and I could do so much in the extra time I have rather than just sleep. The only time I felt like I truly was challenged was during field hockey season because of the practices and games and I hear so many other kids talking about research and competitions. Although I’m just a freshman, the next couple years school will get harder so I have to focus on academics then so thats why I’m trying to figure my ec’s now. Also, the competitive environment at NJ high schools does not help one bit, I know people in my grade taking pre-calc/pre-calc honors and self studying for APs. I will be more than happy to go to Rutgers, I know a lot of people from Jersey would say otherwise, but my parents think Rutgers will be harder to get into the future than it is now mainly because of other people with our situation.

Hi, can you list out some other OOS public schools. I’ll definitely be interested.

I think that if your parents get green cards, you will get one too, as their minor child. It would seem to me that if their employers are applying for them, there’s a good chance that this will happen before you apply to college.

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Many schools have strong merit but that can change. And you still don’t have a track record. Many are blind to you requirement wise but others have gpa and / or gpa and test tables.

Your Alabama, Ms State, Mizzou, SUMYs, Maine, U of SC, Miami Ohio, some of the directional Florida schools (( UCF, FAU), Kansas and K State and more. But international may impact that.

At Bama, it won’t. Intl gets same aid as Us. Some schools are just inexpensive - W Carolina is $20k all in. Purdue $40k ish all in. This is without merit. Today…

But you are three years from applying. Schools can and will change - and your complete package is unknown. Ps there are schools of various sizes and locations that, for the accompanied student, if little changes, offer high merit.

For now - focus on being a great you.

Unfortunately not, because OP’s parents are from India. Based on current processing times for my India-origin employees for whom our firm is processing green cards, it takes 12-13 years! Once OP turns 21 she’ll have to switch to a student visa and find a sponsoring employer on her own, and attempt to get her own green card.

However, I reread Rutgers’ rules and I see that H visa dependents like OP who graduate from a New Jersey high school can petition to be treated as in state for tuition purposes. That definitely reduces cost significantly!

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Well, that is good news for her!

12-13 years for the green card? Ugh.

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