Help my junior make a list: small class size, good STEM (CS/math/bio) and research opportunities, blue states, <$40K with need-based aid

You can remind her that most “knowledge” these days is interdisciplinary! Cognitive Science majors need to take psych and math and chem and bio; virtually anything she majors in will have elements of all the other related disciplines wrapped into or around it.

If she doesn’t believe you- just show her the required courses at MIT. Everyone takes them. Majoring in linguistics? You’re taking Physics. Majoring in Econ? You’re taking Chem. Majoring in Poli Sci? You’re taking math. And then the HASS requirements (humanities, arts, social sciences- the stuff she doesn’t want to take. But in a world where “stuff” is related in complicated ways- those are required as well.)

She will love college. And her innate curiosity is likely to lead her to a place she can’t envision right now!

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These sites can offer you guidance on colleges with more flexible curricula:

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I think that’s great, to keep focusing on the positives, on the new and exciting courses. This is when I miss course catalogs, as it was so fun to pour through those before a semester, trying to make 47 courses fit into a semester, and then realizing I could only take 5.

I hope she gets to the point where it will ALL be good, that each school will offer more opportunities than she ever dreamed of. Yes, she’ll have to take an English class but a good teacher can make even the horrible dreaded subject good. Even engineers have to take 2-3 English classes (including writing) and a history-ish course. There are a lot of options. She had to take English in high school. I had to take square dancing, polka, and waltz, and that turned into one of the best classes ever.

She may end up with a lot of good options and then get to narrow it down to something she really likes about the school or community - mountains, ocean, labs with internships, a club scene? If she doesn’t know what she wants to study, she may need a bigger school to have the option to change majors.

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Any list of “open curriculum” schools (like the linked College Transitions and CollegeVine ones) that includes University of Rochester, which has what are effectively traditional distribution requirements (three courses in each of humanities, social sciences, and natural sciences) like many other schools, is not a particularly credible list.

Also, both of those linked “open curriculum” lists leave out The Evergreen State College, which has the most open curriculum possible for the BA degree (although it may not have sufficient depth in some of the subjects that the OP’s student may be interested in).

It might be tough to get to travel-wise, but I think the “Areas of Study” at Juniata would work quite well for her. Of the people I’ve known who have gone there, all have had close relationships with professors. They are known for good merit.

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Beyond the aspect of its requirements, the University of Rochester, in contrast to universities with rigid divisions between multiple “schools,” offers an open institutional structure that allows for, and encourages, students to explore widely.

As a regional institution, Evergreen State may not meet the screening criteria of sites oriented toward a national viewership.

Also, Evergreen is a peculiar institution, very much a “fit” school the way Antioch used to be and as such difficult to include on a general list.
As a result, U Rochester could well be of interest to OP when I fail to see how Evergreen would.

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My two cents again is that outside of the very few truly open schools (except maybe a writing requirement), there is still a wide range of curriculum structures that could be more or less suitable for different kids.

So Rochester for various reasons is going to be on the flexible end of the scale for many kids, but it is true it is not truly open. And potentially both of those observations are of value.

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Adding a vote for St. Olaf!

I’m a current freshman and it checks all the boxes you listed (small classes, good stem, good financial aid). Our core classes are humanities/analysis heavy (language, religion, social science, power and race, first years have to take a writing and rhetoric course, etc.) but, honestly, it seems to be a big benefit. We have really good grad outcomes and I’m sure that it’s in part due to the fact that everyone’s exposed to college level writing and literature analysis.

The campus is very friendly and there are a lot of spaces for LGBTQ students (myself included); there’s a not-insignificant number of students who are openly trans in all years.

I can actually speak to the first-year research thing: it’s not super common, but there are professors willing to take on first years who are passionate about doing research. We also have a year-long class called Molecular Discovery (which I’m in!) that revolves around a microbiology research project. You don’t apply for it, it’s just first-come-first-serve when you fill out your advising form. This is the inaugural year!

Classes are pretty small—my biggest is 45 people, and that’s a Chem lecture. My other classes are 18-24 people. The professors I’ve interacted with (both instructors of mine and not) are super friendly and really want to meet students who are excited to learn.

I will say that I don’t know how good our CS department is. The Bio department is very good and the Math department is too (although our Math major is a little unconventional), though.

Also, the campus is gorgeous! And the food’s pretty good.

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Thank you very much for all your help. She just got back from her visit to MIT, and as I hoped, it did help her think through what she wanted. (she didn’t get to visit any other schools – the way these fly-ins work is that they book the flights, transfer kids to and from the airport, and have them scheduled the whole time – awesome opportunity, but not flexible).

She would be happy to go to MIT, and plans to apply. Now she needs other schools that has what she likes about the nearly-impossible-to-get-in one.

Size: She came back from MIT less worried about size, and says she thinks it’s a bit on the large side, but only a little. She’d like a bit smaller, but is willing to look at larger schools as well. I think she was reassured by the sub-sections and smaller labs of the big intro classes.

Techy: She came back wanting to look more into other STEM-focused schools. This is partly for the breadth of course offering, and maybe in large part because she really liked the STEM-focused vibe of the students and the place. Now says she’s not as interested in liberal arts schools. I think she spoke to one staff member who once worked at Brown and told her that it was more writing-focused, which she didn’t like. Not much to go on, but I think the actual takeaway for her here is that perhaps the STEM focus is more important to her than the straight up number of non-STEM requirements.

Majors: She liked that MIT has a “computer science and molecular biology” major, and really wants a way to combine those two fields in a major (I guess she could always double major, but probably more feasible to go somewhere where that isn’t the only option). Data science may work for this too, I don’t know enough about it. I think she finds the types of things that researchers do applying cs and math to bio to be more interesting than the research listed under either cs or math by itself. So the biology department needs to be good. She wants the math program to be good enough to not run out of math and have interesting math classes to keep taking, but is OK if that isn’t combined directly with bio and cs into a major.

Undergraduate Research: very important

Student life: Would like it if a lot of students live on campus, or if it’s at least possible to do so. Wants geeky board game/RPG clubs, but I expect those are reasonably common. Does not care about location other than the key trans-safe factor.

WPI, which she’d already researched a little, seems like an obvious one that fits what she might be looking for, and probably has a decent shot to get into.

The University of Rochester looks good too.

I’ve taken notes on what’s been mentioned here so far, but wondering if there other tech-type schools that might fit. (I did a search and found lots of schools with “tech” in the name, but I don’t know much about any of them).

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It’s not for the faint of heart, but… maybe Caltech? I know Caltech and Princeton both like rural kids.

Harvey Mudd has what should be her dream major: Mathematical and Computational Biology | Mathematics | Harvey Mudd College

Cornell isn’t a tech school, but it nonetheless has a very high proportion of engineering students. See: Undergraduate | CALS , Biological Engineering Major | CALS

Princeton has a minor: https://lsi.princeton.edu/education/undergraduate-minor-quantitative-computational-biology/minor-requirements and tons of graduate and upper level undergrad level offerings: https://lsi.princeton.edu/education/quantitative-computational-biology-graduate-program/phd-program-requirements and an intensive integrated first year sequence (one double course per semester): https://lsi.princeton.edu/integratedscience that also seems right up her alley

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Have you considered New Mexico Tech? The COA for residents is $27k, and students receiving the WUE Plus scholarship pay resident tuition rates. To get WUE Plus, students need a 3.25 GPA and an ACT of 27 or SAT 1260. WUE recipients also qualify for a merit scholarship based on GPA. NMT is a small school in a small town. They have majors in biology, information technology, and math.

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RPI would be worth a look. They are generous with merit $ too.

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Brown has a well-regarded computational biology program and some students have made their own major to study computational neuroscience . Brown has a strong tradition of helping kids create their own major so that’s another option she could look at—creating a computational molecular biology major (sounds fascinating to me!!)

Carnegie Mellon has a strong computation biology program and a definite quirky, nerdy vibe. Don’t discount double majors if she’s looking at schools that have a pretty flexible curriculum. Best of luck to her.

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