<p>Who the hell sent me a nasty email from here…calling me the F word…I will personally report you so you better show yourself before I find you…I do NOT tolerate hate mail. I’m sorry. Opinions are opinions, but do not think that you can do that and get away with it.</p>
<p>It’s happened to me before too,. someone just completely talked a whole bunch of isht about me being a muslim, saying I was a terrorist and stuff, but the admin completly ignored my complaint and I still see that person posting all over CC. I just have him on ignore.</p>
<p>Yah gotta love America…lol. Oh thats cool I have a few Muslim friends actually (digressing from the point of this forum lol.)</p>
<p>cool, cool…where are you from?</p>
<p>“okay, but…your environment, family, and all that affect your choice. I mean family is outside of their control but they obviously affect peep’s choices.”</p>
<p>grammar: its peeps’ (apostrophe after s’.)</p>
<p>True. one’s environment plays a seminal role. i think homosexuality is a result of insecurity and lostness with oneself, and coupled with a variety of homogenizing factors that make homosexuality inextricably linked with one other aspect. it can’t just exist by its own accord. </p>
<p>I;m sure we’ve all heard the phrase, ‘everyone is naturally attracted to the opposite sex.’ for some it takes more work to get there.</p>
<p>*SUGGESTION: Everyone read through the first 15 pages of this thread. Exhausting, yes. But not as exhausting as reading the same ideas again and again, only without evidence."</p>
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<p>Subpoint 1 (aka burst of anger): Homosexuality is the result of insecurity and lostness? Sure, some people seek relationships because they need to feel loved, but that is not a characteristic reserved for homosexuals. Relationships supply love. People need love. But this logic assumes that all homosexuals are lost. And plenty of them are not. I’ll supply statistics if you honestly disagree, but seriously? Every homosexual is lost and confused? This is a cry for attention, just like emo kids cutting themselves?</p>
<p>Anyway, of course homosexuality is “inextricably linked” to other factors. The essence of homosexuality doesn’t exist in a bubble. But neither does heterosexuality. That doesn’t make it a choice. Let me go all Public Forum Debate on you: It’s up to your position in the debate to prove that homosexuality is the result of conscious decisions. According to dictionary.com, a choice is 1) an act or instance of choosing; selection; or 2) something that is preferred or preferable to others. </p>
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not only have I never heard that phrase (ever), but even according to your own (flawed and non-supported) argument, that contradicts the definition of choice, that is that homosexuals have the conscious ability to “prefer” the other sex, that they can look at someone of the same sex and someone of the opposite and MANIPULATE their feelings for each.</p>
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<p>Yes, a proud Christian. Just not a Catholic or Baptist, so I don’t follow the Word word for word. Actually, I take that back. Even Catholics and Baptists can’t follow everything in the Bible. Not only because some are silly (like not eating shellfish), but because the BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF 700+ TIMES. It’s obviously impossible to follow every word, and that makes the Bible an imperfect representation of God’s word. My opinions will surely be controversial among more evangelical believers, but my youth group is occasionally led by a local religion major. He knows what he’s talking about–we read passages of the Bible, and imperfections and contradictions within led me to that stance. I was trying to portray my stance as a middle-man in this argument when it was highly religion (thanks to rssll5), by being both a Christian and a believer that homosexuality is biological. </p>
<p>Please, aristotle, read through the rest of that particular post of mine. I not only elaborated on that POV but on several others (quite well, if I might add :)). READ, PEOPLE, READ all the pages of this thread!</p>
<p>Lol Pittsburgh. The best city in the world!</p>
<p>NOT hahahaha</p>
<p>hahahaa…fat city…</p>
<p>glasse, you seem not to care about the actual topic, and instead choose to respond only to my claims. Your statements are absolutely useless, because you offer no counter-advice. </p>
<p>In your world, what is it that makes someone gay?</p>
<p>And are you saying change for homos is not possible?</p>
<p>baller4lyfe,</p>
<p>I am not glasse but I fee like I should answer that last statement. Change is not a choice it is either something that happens (some say sexualtiy is fluid,) or doesn’t. Y’know? Some straight people discover they are bi. How’s that for a surprise haha?</p>
<p>Like, I know someone who identified as straight her whole life, one of my best friends, but admitted to wondering whether or not she may be bi. Then she had an experience or two completely like incidentally…Just wound up dancing with someone and it went from there, and she ilked it. So, she is seein gif that means she is bi or just very very open haha. You know? There’s no reason you can’t be straight and open OR gay and open. Many ppl. don’t realize that.</p>
<p>There was a gay senator in the US who publicly announced that he was gay and had an affair with another man, yet he was married and had 2 kids</p>
<p>How is that possible?<br>
And Jeremy, I think change is possible for anyone. Although I’m pretty sure you can’t make a straight person gay, you can make a gay person straight. </p>
<p>What make someone straight?</p>
<p>If you’re talking about the governor of New Jersey, just because a homosexual is married that doesn’t mean he somehow changed and became heterosexual. The man in question married for political expedience and did not think he could be elected governor without first having a family. It takes an extremely dense mind to actually think he “changed” from being homosexual to heterosexual. There was no love or attraction involved in this marriage, just one example of societal pressure which causes gays to lie and conform to something that they are not (which people like you take as evidence that you can change your sexuality).</p>
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<p>umm…'nuff said</p>
<p>^Thanks Sheed. Baller, I have made posts much more pointed at the original topic, and have done so for many of the sixteen pages of this thread. I was merely contesting your remarks because we have different ideas and that’s what a debate is.</p>
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<p>well gosh i don’t think there’s any sexual orientation that allows attraction to both men and wom[url="<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexuality"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexuality[/url">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexuality"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexuality[/url</a>]</p>
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<p>What? That wasn’t I who wrote that post.</p>
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<p>Pretty much. From post #155:
Go back and read them.</p>
<p>Also, just in general, please stop calling homosexuals “homos.” Call them homosexuals or gays or gay people or non-straight people. “Homos” is an offensive grade-school pejorative.</p>
<p>Probably born that way, but does it really matter? Live and let live.</p>
<p>After reading so much of this, I’m almost intimidated by the thread. But I suppose I shall hand in my two cents. </p>
<p>I am a homosexual myself. From experience, the topic being discussed probably will not get anywhere, as it is simply difficult to defend one side or another with anything as validly empirical as we wish it could be. For me, (and I really do hope you can take my word for it) being a homosexual is about the attraction one feels. It is not one’s claiming that one is attracted to someone else of the same sex or one’s performing the actions that indicate attraction to someone else of the same sex, but one’s feeling of that attraction. For me, I feel an attraction, a “stirring”, as some may say, when I meet a particular person that is good-looking or admirable or with some other favorable quality. This feeling I feel for males, which I do not, and have not, felt for females. For those that identify themselves as heterosexual, I imagine it is the same thing that distinguishes you from me, except that you feel this “stirring” for those of the opposite sex. You may, say, become involved in a relationship with someone of the same sex, go to bed with him or her, adopt a child, go to rallies, be an activist, all the things that you imagine that the most “radical” and “stereotypical” homosexuals do – but without that “stirring” you are not a homosexual. That “stirring,” I believe, is not subject to volition. I imagine, for you, it is the same as a heterosexual. In that sense, I believe homosexuality is not a choice.</p>
<p>This is where it becomes difficult to defend. As simple as I hope my point may seem, it gets much more complicated when other things come in to play to defend one side or another. I am only saying this from what I have seen from other forms of this debate. At one point or another, the definition of how a person is “truly” homosexual becomes blurred - the line between “acting” gay or straight and “being” gay or straight becomes so thin that it is hardly even there, that’s perhaps the biggest error (and the hardest one to correct). Religion is thrown in, which simply adds to the ambiguity, now muddling the distinction between reason and belief (sometimes merging the two). Statistics, which may or not be credible, as well as scientific studies, which may be flawed, come into play. Lastly (and perhaps most importantly) the claims of others are dismissed as biased. I would not be surprised that I am going to be labelled as biased for being a homosexual and hereafter, my views will be discounted. What makes this debate even more difficult is the fact that, in the exact same way, someone that identifies themself as heterosexual can be dismissed as biased and discounted as well.</p>
<p>The subjectivity of the matter, and the evidence, and the logic (sometimes belief, which is inherently subjective) makes this difficult to debate, much less settle. Hopefully my point will have some weight somewhere, and not get lost in the in the crossfire. </p>
<p>Though, I will say, I think the debate is the most important of the debates being brought up about homosexuality and its place in society. Whether homosexuality is a choice or not inherently leads to its place in morality as well - can a person be punished or rewarded for something he or she did not choose? To me, no. For me, I do not think that I should be rewarded or punished (both in the most elastic sense of the word, treated unjustly) for being who I am. I feel that I am capable of maintaining a relationship, as well as any other couple, heterosexual or not; I feel that I am capable of raising a child, and going through the hardships that any parent would; I feel that I should be entitled equal protection of the law, even if I may be more susceptible to crime; and I feel that I should be given as much as anyone else, no more, no less – evaluated for my choices, my actions and not by what I believe I cannot be held responsible for.</p>
<p>off topic but please indulge me and answer the following: assuming for the sake of argument that there is a gay gene and by the time you are ready to start a family a prenatal screening test for that gay gene exists. What do you do with that information?</p>