<p>What do you mean NYS is so progressive, were you being sarcastic? Are women banned from taking science classes in other states or something? As far as I know, throughout the USA, everyone is required to take certain Math/Science classes since Kindergarten, girls and boys are taught together with the same teachers in the same classes, yet more men show a passion for math/science and go into those fields. I really don’t understand where the oppression is…i’m just confused.</p>
<p>I understand what LightBright is saying about women in the workforce, but as far as Education - I don’t understand how we’re being oppressed. I think we have more advantages, if anything.</p>
<p>i wasn’t being sarcastic, that’s good that they give so many opportunities to women.</p>
<p>But that’s my point. Women and men get the SAME opportunities in education. Women are treated as equals. Everyone takes the same classes from K-12 or has the opportunity to, everyone learns Math/Science. Women get special scholarships and are urged to go into science/tech fields, it’s easier for us to get accepted as engineers. So once again, how are we being oppressed in education?!</p>
<p>i’m sorry I don’t know about other states but i’m assuming it isn’t too different.</p>
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Which proves that women are more selective. Men take what they can get. Women are always looking for something better. :P</p>
<p>"i’m sorry I don’t know about other states but i’m assuming it isn’t too different. "</p>
<p>it was at my high school, men were expected to be lawyers/doctors/businessmen, women to do a useless degree like psychology and marry rich, teachers always took the men more seriously in class, the engineering club was all male and made no attempt to recruit women, etc.</p>
<p>and i live in california, suburbia sucks</p>
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<p>You make a good point. At the same time, we can’t control what societal standards teachers are trying to force on their students. My Chem teacher insists that none of the girls can understand molecular geometry because some study states that women suck at math. Umm…what? The best scientist in the school is female; hands down. More girls in his class are doing better than the guys.</p>
<p>Oh wait, we suck at math. And science. -.-'</p>
<p>And most of the studies (such as the one klockan mentioned, which stated that female infants notice faces more than objects) that state these gender differences are bs. They’ve all been proven wrong. For example, infants are still learning what faces are, what moving objects are. They learn all these things at the same rate (maybe girls learn faster than boys, but that rapid mental development stabilizes when they get older and then boys and girls learn at more or less the same rate) and there is no preference for “faces.” I used to play with hotwheels when I was little. I’d throw my dolls and kick them because they bothered me. I was not a tomboy. My parents just didn’t make me buy into the typical societal standards.</p>
<p>When did you go to HS, the 1950’s? 
No but I’m from the suburbs too. I remember in HS one year they even had a special seminar just for girls in which they talked to us about math/science/tech jobs and special scholarships just for women, they talked about fewer women going into Engineering and such. The boys never had a similar seminar about nursing/teaching of course :p</p>
<p>Even thought we’re treated as equals, given the same opportunities, take the same classes with the same teachers, and women even get special opportunities, fewer women still go into those fields. More girls still go into Humanities/Liberal Arts and most of those pursuing careers in Science/Engineering are still men. This was definitely true for my HS classmates. Yet people insist women are being oppressed in those fields, I don’t get that at all. Women do BETTER in school, more of us graduate, more of us go to and graduate college. But fewer of us pursue math/science. Most of my friends are girls and they’re studying things like Education, Nursing, Art, English, Communications, Psychology…I’m doing Neurobiology and feel left out 
but I don’t think we’re oppressed in education.</p>
<p>I think people just want to say women are oppressed in education to explain why fewer go into engineering. This makes no sense to me as we have the same opportunities and take the exact same classes and have advantages.</p>
<p>Actually, let me find the study…</p>
<p>It’s been proven that it’s harder for women to find jobs in those fields. And if it’s harder for women to find jobs in those fields, isn’t it more likely that feel that they shouldn’t go into them?</p>
<p>My school doesn’t have those seminars, you’re lucky. Very lucky. What you have is far from the norm, although I wouldn’t say Logic warrior’s situation is normal, I’d say it’s faar more common.</p>
<p>[Technology</a> Review: Blogs: Guest Blog: Women Advancing Science](<a href=“http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/guest/21855/]Technology”>http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/guest/21855/)</p>
<p>Here’s a good article for you to read. </p>
<p>I’m looking for more things.</p>
<p>“This makes no sense to me as we have the same opportunities and take the exact same classes and have advantages.”</p>
<p>At. Your. School.</p>
<p>LightBright, thanks for the article. It does explain why fewer women, who have already studied science, are going into academic positions in universities/labs, but here’s what I don’t get: Why are fewer girls, I’m talking about 16-18 year olds here, applying for Engineering spots in the first place? Why do we need AA to help fix the gender inequality in that field? And yeah, I support AA to balance it out, but let’s talk specifically about Engineering: why are fewer women applying knowing it’s even easier for us to get in? Once we’re in college we get to take the same classes, we get the same degree. Not as many women seem to want to pursue that path, myself included. </p>
<p>The article touched on gender inequality in the workplace and women having children making it even harder for us, but forget the workplace - what about education?</p>
<p>LogicWarrior - no, not just at my school. Are you telling me girls in California aren’t allowed to take Science classes or something? In NYS, the typical student takes Earth Science, Biology, Chemistry, Physics or Forensic Science (special ed students don’t have to). The classes vary from state to state, but basically everywhere, students are required to study math/science from kindergarten to high school, everyone has the same opportunities. In what state are math/science classes not required? In what states are women banned from classes?</p>
<p>I’m female and doing computer science and mechanical engineering.</p>
<p>Trailblazer!</p>
<p>"In what state are math/science classes not required? In what states are women banned from classes? "</p>
<p>i was talking about the seminars, i’d guess most schools don’t have those, and it’s teachers that encourage male students more that are at the source of it, not requirements.</p>
<p>you’re blowing this out of proportion, it’s not the 1950’s, sexism is more subtle now.</p>
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<p>If you think that I only call women ■■■■■■■■ then you are ■■■■■■■■ yourself.</p>
<p>lol @ feeling threatened by women. I grew up in a house of 6 women and my mom is one of the most assertive women on the planet. I’m a lot friendlier to women IRL because I actually view men as competition, not women. But that has little to do with career.</p>
<p>Well, I woudn’t say an hour-long seminar is much. And those scholarships are available to women through America, it’s easier to get accepted to Engineering programs if you’re a girl. So I don’t get why anyone thinks women are being oppressed in education. In the workforce? Maybe. But why blame others when the fact is we’re simply not applying for those Engineering spots? Women like Platts are in the minority here.</p>
<p>I could’ve applied for engineering if I wanted, I did well in math/science, but i didn’t. Most girls don’t, even those who excel in these subjects. I wonder why?</p>
<p>“Most girls don’t, even those who excel in these subjects. I wonder why?”</p>
<p>you can’t possibly think that it’s the same reason for everyone.</p>
<p>some girls chose other fields
other girls didn’t think it was feminine enough because of cultural norms
other girls were discouraged by their teachers
other girls were pushed towards a certain path by their parents</p>
<p>and some girls might choose majoring in engineering for free over paying $30,000 a year to major in psychology.</p>
<p>obviously it’s not the same reason for everyone, but the fact is not as many women apply. I don’t think this is oppression, this is simply that fewer women want to be engineers, for some of the reasons you listed. yet some people will argue that women are being oppressed in education til they’re blue in the face; I don’t see it. </p>
<p>and psychology is not a worthless degree!</p>
<p>i’d say that external pressure on women to not be engineers is oppression, but it obviously doesn’t apply to all women.</p>
<p>and psychology is not worthless.</p>
<p>Betterthanyouare you are truly an unpleasant person. It is impossible to have meaningful conversation with someone who resorts to name calling and appears to have difficulty even recognizing your opponents valid points (whether mine or egos or leahs). I have seen many of your posts and you are almost universally unpleasant to those with whom you disagree or of whom you disapprove.</p>
<p>You will soon learn, as you progress further into the adult world, that people will simply tune you out. Being a hostile, blowhard makes it impossible for people interested in civil conversation and debate to take you seriously.</p>
<p>I hope that IRL you can tone down the attitude because if you relate to people in person like you do online eventually most people will dismiss you.</p>
<p>I have. I am holding up my invisible clicker and <em>click</em> I have MUTED you. </p>
<p>Grow Up.</p>
<p>damn, jamiecakes, you sure showed him.</p>