<p>sweet potatoe, so you’re trying to change rape laws and aspects of the law that involve domestic violence?</p>
<p>The whole way you say it is worded by the perpetrator is insignifigant. The victim still gets to state his or her case (btw it is sexist if you’re only aknowledging female rape and acting like men can’t be victims either, like we’re always the bad guys) This is just another example of feminists taking a small thing and blowing it up. (I’m not saying rape is a small thing, just that the way we handle it within our judicial system is fine; we just need more people to swallow their pride and come forward)</p>
<p>When rapists get reported, they go to trial, get sentenced for years and years, and they often either live in iso in prison or they get raped and beaten by the other prisoners who feel they have to bring justice to all sex offenders, although they are cold blooded killers themselves. </p>
<p>Rapists have it way worse in jail than any other type of offender. I would rather serve an extra 5-10 years on my sentence than have the whole prison population know I’m a rapist.</p>
<p>No I’m actually dead right. Things are perfectly fine the way they are. </p>
<p>OK let’s take a look here miss sweetpotatoes. You have two options to change this “view” of women (this view is pretty much universal, our treatment of women is similar to other industrialized nations).</p>
<p>You can either:
Change the entire view of society of women, by trying to influence them through your propaganda or something. And even if you did do this, you would have to do it every generation since it is universal.
Enforce more control if a woman isn’t treated like a man is.</p>
<p>Brain washing or more government control. Both options are absurd.</p>
<p>That’s why I said- rape and violence are the only things that need to be addressed.</p>
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<p>You’re interested in the subject because you’re a woman and you want more power.</p>
<p>tippo, you know that most rapes are actually never reported? reasons include that women don’t want to accept that they have been raped or that they are aware it is VERY hard to prove rape in court. i’m pretty sure that if you look up statistics, most rape cases never end up punishing the person who commits the crime. and do you know what can happen next? the woman is then charged for “filing a false claim.” BTW, did you even read my post? i did not only assume that it was male against female action, why don’t you read it over again?? i wrote:
“we need to address to the reasons why some men (not ALL men, i realize that not all men are the devil ok?) and possibly women (i am including gay couples in this too) feel like it is appropriate behavior to abuse his or her significant other”</p>
<p>and Darko, there aren’t just those two ways to change things. i’m not proposing some type of massive world take-over of feminist ideology, but don’t you think it would be useful for boys and girls to learn (younger than college) that each person’s body is his or her own and no one has the right to abuse it? i don’t ever remember that being taught to me, i only remember learning how we make babies. and even if some adolescents are taught respect, we need to explain the REASONS behind it instead of just saying “Okay, that’s a bad thing. don’t do that!”</p>
<p>and in response to what you said at the end, please don’t assume you know me. i’m not assuming i know you and why you make the choices that you make.</p>
<p>Could you expand on this? How is the law written in perspective of the perpetrator instead of the victim? I’m just asking for some clarification, since I’m not well versed in the subject.</p>
<p>Ok now you’re going into sexual abuse. Remember I said complain about sexual violence all you want? </p>
<p>I don’t need to know anything about you except that you’re a feminist trying to defend feminist arguments that hold no logic. You wouldn’t be interested in feminist topics unless you felt they benefited you in some way (GASP! are you a woman? Don’t tell me, wait…my guess is YES). Feminism is just a giant club that you’re trying to promote. Girl Scouts is infinitely better (cookies).</p>
<p>i think i’m pretty much done arguing about this. i think to you, maybe anything that a woman believes in that may benefit her in some way is just silly and a waste of time. so you know what, i won’t waste any more of your time. go ahead and smile, cause with an attitude like that i’m wondering just how many girls will actually be interested in your opinions</p>
<p>The biggest legitimate oppression is of female athletes who don’t get as much coverage as men. Let’s take female basketball players for example; they get less coverage and make less money. However, men are often bigger and faster and male basketball is usually more exciting to people who pay to watch basketball. On the other hand, there’s a lot more money in modeling and jobs where looks/sexiness come into play for women than for men. In both cases, only the most athletic men or attractive women really get an advantage.</p>
<p>As for saying more males are CEOs or average male pay is higher, type A personalities are more common in men, and a lot of jobs that favor type A personalities make more money than average. Also, a lot of women choose not to work long hours or stress pay over enjoyment in their job simply because there is often a man in their lives who does that to support them already. If anything, that means men are oppressed more.</p>
<p>Another problem women face is childcare; around 28-35 when professionals often start making “real money”, women are usually having children and raising families. Well, of course we’re allowed maternity leave, but its hard to become the CEO of a company when you have to raise kids. Most women choose to have children, and usually around 2-3 kids. Sure men take parental leave as well, but women carry the thing around in their bodies for 9 months and then have to feed it, and most families can’t afford personal nannies. Sure Day-Care is an option but most moms don’t want to pop out kids, hand 'em to strangers, and head back to work. The attachment between an infant/mother is very strong early in childhood and so lots of women end up taking years off of work. Does that put a dent in their careers? Sure, but it’s a sacrifice most are willing to make.</p>
<p>Good point, Molly. I know a man who has had 4 children with his wife. She doesn’t work a job so she can stay home and take care of the children and I’ve actually had to see him defend his family to an ultra-liberal teenage girl who accused him of treating his wife like a baby machine.</p>
<p>Simply put, his wife loves her children and would gladly be a stay at home mom over a CEO a thousand times over.</p>
<p>tippo, you know that most rapes are actually never reported? reasons include that women don’t want to accept that they have been raped or that they are aware it is VERY hard to prove rape in court. i’m pretty sure that if you look up statistics, most rape cases never end up punishing the person who commits the crime. and do you know what can happen next? the woman is then charged for “filing a false claim.” BTW, did you even read my post? i did not only assume that it was male against female action, why don’t you read it over again?? i wrote:
“we need to address to the reasons why some men (not ALL men, i realize that not all men are the devil ok?) and possibly women (i am including gay couples in this too) feel like it is appropriate behavior to abuse his or her significant other”</p>
<p>Okay you said ‘from the woman’s perspective’ with regards to the rape law instead of ‘the victim’s perspective.’ You only mentioned men at the bottom with regards to domestic violence. </p>
<p>It really depends on what kind of rape and sexual assault cases you are talking about. Some are harder to prove than others. Statuatory rape cases aren’t that difficult to prove as there are set ages and age gaps that have to be followed. Parents, whose word is more highly valued against that of minors, who have seen their 15 year old daughters going out with 17 year old boys have had them registered as sex offenders to the whole entire world.
And it’s RARELY the other way around (as in girls being prosecuted for being a little older). Besides it’s hard to prove a lot of things in court; that’s why you get a good lawyer. </p>
<p>If all a feminist club did was empower women to be better, stronger people, I’d say that’s great for them.</p>
<p>But really all they do is complain about how the ‘men-driven system’ holds them down.</p>
<p>listen, we all know i’m a crazy bra-burning* feminist but seriously, i’m not having kids until i’m financially stable enough to stay home with them until they’re school-aged. i’m also definitely not having four kids but if someone wants to, by all means go right ahead.</p>
<p>*in the metaphorical sense. i wear a bra on the daily.</p>
<p>in response to the comment made by openedskittles: female athletes are not oppressed. when it comes to sports, everything is determined by the fans basically. no fans means no sponsors, big tv deals, contracts, etc. it’s all about marketing when it comes to sports. it’s not that female leagues are oppressed, it’s just that the fans don’t want to see them. you might say, how can anyone know whether they want to see female athletes if they don’t get to really see them? it’s all about marketing research. companies do their research when they make these big deals to cover leagues/teams/players/etc. if the fans aren’t there why would you put your money in them? there’s no question when it comes to money, the biggest sports are MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL because those are the sports most fans like (though I hear NASCAR is pretty huge too). basically anything outside of that and your league won’t be making much money. this is why minor league baseball teams don’t make much to begin with. the fans just aren’t there (and most people want to see the best professionals in the sport which you can’t find in the minor leagues).</p>
<p>"If all a feminist club did was empower women to be better, stronger people, I’d say that’s great for them.</p>
<p>But really all they do is complain about how the ‘men-driven system’ holds them down."</p>
<p>I think you’re making a terribly misguided blanket statement. Feminists usually aim to empower women–that’s their purpose. Have you been under a rock?
And if you don’t think that the “system” is favored toward men, even in 2009, then you’ve got your blinders on.</p>
<p>What system? The system where if a female teacher is caught sleeping with a 13 year old student, she is given a slap on the wrist, but if a male teacher is caught with a 16 year old girl, he is given years in jail?</p>
<p>The system where in custody cases the judges almost overwhelmingly grant custody to the mother given all other factors are equal?</p>
<p>The system where men have to register for selective service and women still don’t?</p>
<p>I didn’t type this, but it does contain quite a bit of truth to it. I won’t say it’s all completely, undeniably true, though most of it is. I highly suggest “both sides” read it:</p>
<p>More women are accepted and attend college. More degrees are awarded to women than men. Women outlive men. More men commit suicide. Men are twice as likely to be victims of violence, including murder. If you consider sexual assaults in prisons, twice as many men are raped as women (society thinks prison rape is funny). The streets are littered with homeless men, sprinkled with a few homeless women. Statically, women are happier than men. The myth that girls are being cheated by are educational system is belied by the fact that schools are bastions of femininity, mostly run by and taught by women. Girls outperform boys in school. It is the boys in school getting ****ed over, and prescribed ritalin for being boys. Real wages for men are falling, while real wages for women are rising. Just because someone says something enough times, doesn’t make it true. You have nothing to feel guilty about.</p>
<p>Excuse me, but you are also applying huge generalizations. At my middle school, a teacher was caught sleeping with a 13 year old boy and went to jail (her husband was also a police officer). Don’t believe me? I’ll send you a link.</p>
<p>And a mother receiving custody of her child does NOT justify a woman’s salary of $0.75 to a man’s $1.00</p>
<p>And I believe that women should have to register and serve in combat…I believe that is discrimination, in some ways. I feel that women will never be seen as equal unless they are equal in EVERY aspect–good and bad.</p>
<p>Are you somehow justifying discrimination in almost every other aspect because more women are accepted to college and attend college? That’s a little naive. More women are accepted because more women APPLY. And I’d love to get a link, if you don’t mind.</p>