<p>^ No one’s justifying discrimination. The author’s intent was to convince men that they don’t need to feel “guilty” for “oppressing” women, as well as for them to start looking out for their own interests (e.g., working to narrow the gap between male and female life spans, or combating society’s widespread consensus that male prison rape is funny).</p>
<p>I just believe men have their place in society and family and women complement that or vice versa. </p>
<p>There is a reason children with stay at home moms tend to be the most productive, healthiest, smartest, balanced, less mental health issues, etc. They also tend to be more successful. </p>
<p>First thing I do when I ask a girl out is if she wants to cook for me. Most girls today cant cook, its rather sad.</p>
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<p>Forget the anecdotes; for each woman that went to jail i’ll show you one that got off nearly scot free. Now why don’t one of us gather the data of all cases and see which gender on average gets more punishment even in similar cases? I don’t feel like it now but i’d stake my life on it being men who do.</p>
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<p>That’s what’s known as a strawman argument sweetie. Yes there’s a gender earning gap (which is shrinking. And that isn’t due completely to sexism - women on average are less likely to ask for a raise, for instance). Just pointing out that the “system” isn’t slanted toward anyone.</p>
<p>Men as a whole do not need to feel guilty. Individual men that harbor chauvinist attitudes are the ones that should feel guilty. And women were oppressed by men, as a whole, in the past. Women have had the vote for less than 100 years, because of men, and I don’t think an intelligent person would argue that. </p>
<p>I don’t think male prison rape is funny; I was simply replying to Tippo’s post.</p>
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No intelligent person is arguing that.</p>
<p>BetterThanYouAre, it’s not an anecdote. It’s an actual news story that I can show you. I just happen to know about it personally.</p>
<p>And calling someone “sweetie” in an argument is not wise–that comes across as condescending, and I don’t really appreciate it.</p>
<p>For each man that went to jail for rape, I’ll show you one that got off nearly scot free. And it’s MOSTLY attributed to sexism, among other things. And the system is edged at least slightly toward men.</p>
<p>You’re saying that “BetterThanYouAre” isn’t intelligent?</p>
<p>^ I haven’t read all 20 pages of this thread. Has he said that women have never been oppressed in the past?</p>
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<p>I think… I think you don’t understand what an anecdote is. It’s pretty much exactly what you described.</p>
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<p>And my username isn’t? Ha, just kidding. Fine. But I suggest not looking back on my previous posts in this thread if you don’t want to be offended.</p>
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<p>No you couldn’t, [theoretically]. Men on average receive harsher sentencing for those kinds of crimes.</p>
<p>And your last statement is ridiculous as it’s something you can’t objectively prove and would thus vary from metric to metric. Be more specific</p>
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<p>Are you implying that I ever argued that women weren’t oppressed in the past? You’re a liar in that case.</p>
<p>Yawn, do you want the link? </p>
<p>Parnell, Sharon Walker. 34/ Gastonia./ 1.04/Former Grier Middle School 6th grade math teacher/ Accused of having sex with a 12-year-old student indicted on 14 sexual abuse charges. Parnell is facing charges in both Gastonia and Cramerton. The Gastonia Police Department is charging Parnell with one count of first-degree statutory rape and two counts of first-degree statutory sex offense. The Cramerton Police Department is charging her with seven counts of first-degree statutory rape and four counts of statutory sex offense. Some of the alleged sexual activity occurred at the school after and others happened on weekends at Parnell’s home. Source: [News</a> 14 | 24 Hour Local News | LOCAL NEWS](<a href=“http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/local_news/?ArID=50909&SecID=2]News”>http://www.news14charlotte.com/content/local_news/?ArID=50909&SecID=2)</p>
<p>^ Yes, thank you for illustrating what an anecdote is.</p>
<p><em>gives Blair a cookie</em></p>
<p>Do you think women are oppressed now?</p>
<p>Not necessarily by men, but by societal norms and traditional values. If not, what has changed in 89 years?</p>
<p>anecdote
Noun
a short amusing account of an incident</p>
<p>Was it amusing? No</p>
<p>Anecdotal evidence:</p>
<p>Evidence, which may itself be true and verifiable, used to deduce a conclusion which does not follow from it, usually by generalizing from an insufficient amount of evidence.</p>
<p>Are you and BetterThanYou not generalizing, then?</p>
<p>So, by saying this: “for each woman that went to jail i’ll show you one that got off nearly scot free. Now why don’t one of us gather the data of all cases and see which gender on average gets more punishment even in similar cases? I don’t feel like it now but i’d stake my life on it being men who do”</p>
<p>You’re not doing the same thing I did? You criticized me for saying the same thing.</p>
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<p>Society can’t oppress anybody because society isn’t capable of forcing anyone to do anything. When people blame actions on “society”, they are blaming voluntarily committed actions on something other than themselves, which is disingenuous. “Blame society” is the biggest crutch today used as an excuse by weak-willed people.</p>
<p>Real oppression is something like girls being subjected to forced circumcision in third world countries.</p>
<p>And blair it is pretty clear that you possess at best a amateurish level of logic and debating ability. It also doesn’t help when you come off indignant as the result of your lack of knowledge on a subject.</p>
<p>As for evidence, if you really want, i’ll gather some up in the morning. But if you’re willing to agree that neither of us has provided any and therefore can’t make claims like “the system is still slanted against women”, i’d be willing to settle for that.</p>
<p>Technically, you cannot show me any evidence supporting anything you’ve said. I gave you evidence (although minimal). You’ve yet to prove anything.</p>
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Women are certainly oppressed. In many countries, they are more oppressed than men.</p>
<p>But as far as the US is concerned, if women are both happier and living longer than men, it’s hard to argue that women are being oppressed <em>more</em> than men. I won’t say that men are more oppressed than women, because this is a vague and immeasurable thing, but I will say that if men are committing suicide more, being violently attacked more, dying earlier, and being unhappier, it’s hard to argue that these very same folks are “oppressing” women in any disproportionate way.</p>
<p>“But as far as the US is concerned, if women are both happier and living longer than men, it’s hard to argue that women are being oppressed more than men.”</p>
<p>That’s the only thing women seem to have on men.
And you never provided that link.</p>
<p>I could provide a lengthy list as to why women have it worse, overall, than men. would you like it?</p>
<p>I was talking to BTYA in #300</p>