<p>Less opportunities does NOT make things harder. Less opportunities might make becoming PRESIDENT harder (cough) but it does not make life harder necessarily.</p>
<p>Saying that women have it harder than men without any backup explanation. Oh yeah that’ll get it in my head.</p>
<p>Don’t know why you’re going into all that nursing school stuff. What were we talking about again?</p>
<p>and if you can’t understand my points then there’s not much point in debating.</p>
<p>I hate sand.</p>
<p>Darko, you should read what you wrote. It makes no sense, whatsoever. I NEVER said women had it harder–I simply said that women do not have it easier.</p>
<p>Who else doesn’t think that less opportunities make stuff harder? That’s not logical</p>
<p>I don’t understand your points because you’ve provided little to no evidence…which you criticized me for? Frankly, this is like arguing with a brick wall. I tried to be nice, but you apparently have to be fairly rude about it all.</p>
<p>You can say all you want about sports but if women cared they would attend the WNBA games.</p>
<p>The ones who whine about women’s sports not being covered are usually the one who don’t go to women’s games. They just whine that men don’t go to them either.</p>
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<p>It’s emotional, same as you are. Logic can not argue with emotion. No one wins.</p>
<p>Look women are privileged. Men are the oppressed ones.</p>
<p>Feminists like to lie and say women make 75% of what men earn but women also control close to a bit more than 50% of private wealth not to mention women are responsible for 80% of consumer purchases.</p>
<p>So men earn more and women spend more. It says a lot about women and its not good.</p>
<p>Men live 5 years less.</p>
<p>Look at the combat deaths. Look at workplace deaths. Look at which gender dies in jobs meant to protect others (police officers, firefighters etc).</p>
<p>You really need to read Warren Farrell’s “The Myth of Male Power”.</p>
<p>yes men live less, that is proof we are oppressed tbh. </p>
<p>when i see women fighting the wars to make the modern world (oh yeah they didnt)…then they can be 100% equal.</p>
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<p>and im curious, how many of you feminists are girly girl types, pink, long hair, non-engineering students</p>
<p>because unless you are a butchy man type then you really have no place to talk, because you are furthering the stereotype</p>
<p>There are plenty of attractive women who don’t fit the traditional feminine stereotype that are still worth listening to. Feminists are not in that group.</p>
<p>On the other Sarah Palin is not traditionally feminine but is still considered attractive by many men.</p>
<p>Of course feminists hate her. This is because she got where she is because of her own accomplishments. Feminists hate hard work and anything the government doesn’t give to them to make up for some mythical oppression.</p>
<p>Their hero is Hillary Clinton who is only relevant because of her husband. And she is supposed to be a strong woman? She actually thinks crying will get her votes. Who wants a politician who cries? This is the same woman who said women are the primary victims of war.</p>
<p>Alright, this is getting a little ridiculous. Everyone needs to lower the extreme generalizations and drama a notch. </p>
<p>Looking at payscales for equal work/jobs and management positions alone (all I can remember that I can cite from my social problems book) women still have much ground to cover. One area men lose ground are social roles. As an every day example think of the more outcasted stay at home father as compared to the stay at home mother.</p>
<p>I’ve already been involved in this argument & have no desire to do it again (mostly because the people on this thread have absolutely no conception of their own privilege & are unwilling to even consider another viewpoint), but this is the most ridiculous statement I’ve ever heard:
I get this comment at lot: “You don’t really look like a feminist…”
It’s stupid because what you wear and how you do your hair has nothing to do with how you view equality. It’s one thing to buy into the culture unknowingly, and another to be aware of how it affects your life every day. I’m in that latter group, but I choose to present myself in a pretty mainstream fashion so that I’ll be taken seriously. If I did look like the “butch man-type” from your exceedingly measured discourse, no one I’m trying to get through to would identify with me. I like to think that when some of my friends learn about my feminist beliefs, they realize that they too can be feminists but still be accepted by society.</p>
<p>I think all I have to say has been said, but I just find it funny that although men make more money, as both feminists and non-feminists have pointed out, 80% of consumer spending is done by women.</p>
<p>So as both femininists and non-feminists have pointed out, men make more money, and then women spend it all. Hahahah 
Once again proving women are in power.</p>
<p>Yeah and i totally agree with Leah’s last post, who the hell cares how long your hair is or how pretty you are? Gosh.
Babbling on about feminism doesn’t do much. Your actions speak louder than words or what you type. I’m not a feminist, but I’m a woman going into a male-dominated career where I’ll be a minority for quite some time. I consider women and men equal in intellectual pursuits, but not equal in everything else (which is why i’m not a feminist I guess).</p>
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Did you even read that story, how they got to those conclusions?</p>
<p>Thinking that your work requires you to work hard do not mean that you work harder than someone who thinks that their work do not require you to work hard. I can even argue that it means that women have a more negative look on their work which is never good for your performance, a person who likes what he do will not think that he needs to work hard but will most likely work much harder than the guy who hates it.</p>
<p>There have been so many ridiculous statements since I left, that there’s really no point in arguing. I kind of wish a moderator would come and shut down this thread.</p>
<p>Collegehopeful, I am completely in awe that you would say Sarah Palin received that position based on her accomplishments. She received the position as running mate, because John McCain wanted to appeal to the Bible thumpers and Hillary Clinton fans. To say that Hillary Clinton is NOT strong is far from the reality of the situation. Most people complained because they thought she was too strong, overpowing to a degree.</p>
<p>And I have every right to be posting here and to be a feminist, because I’m a smart girl aspiring to enter a tough career. I don’t have to look like a lumberjack to express my views about these things. </p>
<p>I THOUGHT we could keep it civil and speak to each other with respect, but that’s obviously not happening. And it’s quite a shame that you, Molly4190, put down your own sex. </p>
<p>Klockan, I did read that story and felt it was valid. But I have no idea what you’re saying because it was just a big, run-on sentence. </p>
<p>I agree with Yau, Leah, and with some of what Molly said. There is absolutely no reason to make blanket statements about an entire sex…it’s immature, condescending, and it shows a real lack of knowledge. The guys in this thread are implying that men are oppressed–are you kidding me??</p>
<p>Women didn’t even have the vote until 1920, but you’re oppressed? Neither sex is better than the other, so we should leave it at that. I’ve said it before: Things are getting better. But women still don’t receive the same pay, the same benefits or the benefit of the doubt in a lot of situations. Applying conspiracy theories to feminism and other places where they don’t belong won’t change this simple fact–Women and men are apparently not considered equal…you can see that from the comments from most guys here.</p>
<p>And Emory2013, I’d love for women to serve in combat. I feel that women will be truly equal when they are considered equal in every aspect of life–good and bad. But your BOYS on the Supreme Court stopped that from happening–Rostker vs. Goldberg.</p>
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I didn’t put down my own sex. I said I find it funny women are responsible for 80% of consumer spending although we make less money than men. That’s not a sexist statement, it’s a fact. It’s quite a shame you find facts offensive and get upset when people make jokes. It makes you sound pretentious and self-righteous. </p>
<p>The logical thing to say would have been, “Women are likely responsible for 80% of consumer spending since they often shop for the household, do the grocery shopping, buy clothes, toys, supplies for the children, and shop for other family members.” Instead you got offended over nothing, promoting another feminist stereotype. Ah well.</p>
<p>I also find it funny the mod edited my post since I said “Vagina”. Oh, no, not vaginas! :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I didn’t get offended over nothing…I got slightly offended because you just agreed with one of the guys putting down women, without doing any research to see if it was actually true.</p>
<p>I’m not pretentious or self-righteous…I didn’t insult you. I just said it’s a shame that you received the “facts” in your post from a guy who said that women shouldn’t speak to this matter unless they look like men. Sorry to offend you, I just didn’t want you to accept what someone else said (without any sources to back it up) as truth.</p>
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<p>Unfortunately, this was twisted to say that “women spend men’s money” and “buy baby clothes, toys, and groceries.”</p>
<p>Women actually make important investment decisions as well.</p>
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<p>Women are oppressed…OOPS!</p>
<p>Blair you are quite entertaining.</p>