How do you deal with lack of communication?

<p>I first started posting here when my son was a freshman and now he’ll be starting his senior year. I remember raising this discussion more than once, and I wish it was no longer an issue for me but it’s still there. This is the first summer he stayed on campus in his apartment, so he’s not living here, so perhaps the lack of communication is wearing on me more since he’s been home so little</p>

<p>Here’s the deal—he’s a terrific student—4.0 both semesters this year. He got enough scholarship money that our only contribution consists of buying his books. We do maintain the old van he drives, and pay for his cell phone and of course clothing and health insurance etc. so I wouldn’t call him completely independent, but he’s a lot closer than some. </p>

<p>But—and as Pee Wee Herman said, everybody I know has a big but—I just never hear from him unless he wants or needs something. I’ve tried for four years not to take it personally. I’ve given him his space. Kept visits short and minimal, rarely call unless I have a reason to, and only the occasional e-mail or facebook post. I don’t want to be a pest, and I don’t want a relationship with him based on a sense of guilt and obligation. Truthfully though, I thought he’d come around a little more as he matured. I thought if I gave him lots of space he’d eventually want to see and hear from me. It’s hard not to take it personally and I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t completely devastated. We didn’t have any issues or problems when he was growing up and I think if you asked him he’d say he had a happy childhood. The only thing that might be a cause for complaint was that our house was where all his friends hung out, so he might have felt I was a little too omnipresent in his life. It’s not like I was hanging out in the basement with his friends. My main contribution was to make food and keep the fridge stocked. I was friendly, but I never pretended to be friends with his friends. </p>

<p>But this is an example of how our interactions now go:</p>

<p>I call him because a friend is taking her son to Bloomington for a day on campus and asked me if I’d like to ride along. I let my son know that I’ll be in town, and I’d like to buy him lunch and take him food shopping or whatever he needs. He asks when we’ll be having lunch. I say noon. He says he guesses he could do that, but he’d have to set an alarm. He stays up very late and generally sleeps til three, but I’ve never said anything because again, he does well in school and who am I to complain about him being nocturnal if he doesn’t even live here. He’s very slow to answer texts, so a day passes and it’s getting close to when I’m supposed to be coming, and I’m still not sure if he wants to meet or not. I text him and say they’ve got a 10a.m. appointment, so I could have them drop me at the apartment, and though I know he’ll be sleeping I could get his keys and take his van for an oil change. He said,“Well, I guess you could do that but Chris is visiting and he’s sleeping on the couch so you’ll have to be very quiet.” I make some joke about not wanting to wake Chris and say I’ll text him when we’re headed to lunch and he can meet us if he wants to. I do that, and he doesn’t respond for over an hour and then texts, “are you still eating lunch?” We were just finishing up, so I said yes but I’ll order takeout and you can come pick it up. He seemed genuinely happy to see me, and we spent a couple of hours at his apartment before it was time to meet up with my friend.</p>

<p>So here’s the thing, I think it’s incredibly rude to not be able to get out of bed and meet me, but I’m not saying that because hey, he’s a college kid and blah blah blah. I don’t want to be this dictatorial bore who demands things from him and never treats him like an adult—the way my mother-in-law treats her son. On the other hand, I’m really freaking fed up with this. Later this summer he was passing through town on the way to a concert and first it was—hey, might be coming through with a few friends to stay Friday night. Then it became, not sure if I’m stopping Friday night or maybe stopping by on the way back. Fine. Just let me know. Of course he didn’t let me know until he was actually leaving Chicago and on his way back. I get it. I know these kids don’t plan. They never know what they’re doing. But still. I’m to the point where I don’t even WANT him to come home, because I won’t have a clue when he’s coming, when he’s leaving, and he’ll stay up late and sleep til three so what the hell good is that anyway? </p>

<p>I did take him to task once during the spring semester because I had written an e-mail with several questions and he responded—two days later—“your e-mails are like homework!” And I said yes, they are like homework and that’s because I don’t want to call you because you don’t like to talk on the phone and those e-mails should really be phone conversations. He said he was happy to talk on the phone to me and preferred that over e-mail because he does so much writing for school. He said he gets busy and neglects the people that truly matter. Nice to hear. But it didn’t seem to make him any more considerate. And forgive me, but he’s taking 15 credit hours and he’s a communications major. Really, you’re not that busy dude!</p>

<p>The problem is my strategy of just letting it be is not working for me any more. I can feel this building up of hurt and anger. I feel like a chump. I know right now he’s running low on funds and the financial aid won’t disburse for a few weeks. He posted on Facebook that he cashed in his change jar and doubled his money. I posted that I recently saw a documentary on tunnel dwellers in NYC and that would be cheaper than his rent—and then I said,“or you could just call your mom.” That was three days ago. No response. No phone call. I think he wants me to put money in his account without having to actually ask for it or talk to me about it. When we talked about it through texts last time I suggested maybe he could come home and help me paint the bedrooms and then I could pay him and pay his rent. He said,“I could do that.” But notice that’s not the same as “I will do that.” I understand why that’s not wildly appealing. He thought his savings would last through the summer and they didn’t—see Chicago concert reference above. He waited too long to look for summer jobs and thought applying online would net results without following up too much in person. </p>

<p>So how do you parent a 21 year old? Do I just flat out say I think he’s inconsiderate and rude? It seems unlikely he’d respond well to a lecture. Do I just ignore the fact that he’s out of money until he calls me and asks for help? I could give him the money now and then tell him to pay for his own books. It’s not exactly even because his books are cheaper than his rent, but it’s not too far off. </p>

<p>And really, I can’t force him into anything other than this perfunctory relationship we have now. So do I just let go and expect I’ll get a Christmas card every year if I’m lucky? I know lots of people that demand a weekly phone call from their college kid, but it’s too late for that now. I’m afraid that in trying to let him have his space and freedom, I’ve actually helped create a self-absorbed jerk.</p>

<p>OK, I’ll take a crack at this.</p>

<p>You have never set clear expectations. “I will call you every Saturday.” or “I will call you on the first of the month.” or “I need an email response or phone call within 24 hours, and if it is a phone call is needs to be between 7 am and 10 pm.” You are expecting HIM to initiate everything. </p>

<p>Since he knows that he can count on you completely, he can neglect his relationship with you and can devote his energies to relationships that are less reliable. In a way this is positive: he trusts you. But the negative side is that (again) you only know what is going on when he has an issue that only you can resolve.</p>

<p>I see that you have two options:

  1. Man Up. Tell him that you love him, but you can’t cope with not having any communication at all, so you are going to check in with him once a week at a certain time. Call this the “Just making sure you haven’t dropped dead.” strategy.
  2. Find a good therapist to talk this stuff through, and let your son stay in charge of communication. Call this the “I need to know why I’ve put up with things this way for so long strategy.”</p>

<p>I don’t think he’s self-absorbed. I think he’s just a kid. And, one who will be happiest in life with a career that allows him to be up all night and to sleep all day. You say he’s in communications? That might not be a bad choice.</p>

<p>I think, when you do actually see your son in person, you have to level with him and tell him how his behavior is affecting you. My guess is that he has no clue. They are often clueless. I would try my best not to sound accusatory, but let him know that his lack of communication is hurting your feelings and that it is not fair to you. I would be honest and say that you are worried that the 2 of you are on your way to developing a 1x year Xmas card kind of relationship and that is not what you want. I doubt he wants it either. Lay out your expectations, and say that the last thing you want is for him to feel like you are a pest, but his silence and avoidance is really getting to you. Any predictions how he would react to a conversation like this?</p>

<p>Agree with happymom that you need to lay out the expectations. Our S is is headed off to college in August is also low on the communication scale so I can appreciate your frustration. What has worked well for us is for me to say, here is what I need from you, this is what I expect, throw me a bone.</p>

<p>Some may say he should just know. But I am a firm believer in you cannot hold someone responsible unless they know what they are responsible for. Some kids see it naturally, some not so much.</p>

<p>Also, in his desire to be independant, he may just be swinging a bit too far before he finds the correct level.</p>

<p>crossposted with momoschki</p>

<p>Here’s my take on it:</p>

<p>1) I would clearly state since you are still supporting him that you expect a minimal amount of communication. We told son we expected a weekly phone call. It hasn’t come to that because he and I text almost daily but if that hadn’t happen we would have set a time every Sunday night that he had to call us. Not an unrealistic expectation for a college student. The plus to that is they get into the habit of regular communication and are more likely to continue it when they get out of school.</p>

<p>2) Making a ‘suggestion’ that he could help you paint is a bad idea. I would say “I need to you help me paint. What day will you be here?” I found with my son, unless you are direct it’s not going to happen.</p>

<p>3)When we are going to be in son’s college town, we are very clear that we expect him to meet us for lunch or dinner or whatever and we set a time. He can be grumpy about it and sometimes it’s obvious he has just rolled out of bed but we don’t give him a choice. </p>

<p>It is hard with college students because their plans seem to blow with the wind sometimes but it is possible to be firm about this stuff without being dictatorial.</p>

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<p>We did this too…while our kids were in college. BUT we did it with the understanding that they would call us ONCE a week at their convenience in exchange for this payment. If they didn’t call…they had to pay for that week. THEY got to choose the time of the call…and it didn’t have to last more than a minute or two. Each of them paid ONCE for a week’s cell service (at a time when they had very little extra money). They both called once a week…and continue to do so…at their convenience in terms of the time.</p>

<p>I will say…my communication frustration is with one of my kids…when I ask him a specific question, he promises he will get on it “soon”. His version of “soon” and mine are VERY different.</p>

<p>I don’t really have any advice–on the contrary, I’m reading this thread to get some!
This sounds exactly like my son. He is now 23 and things haven’t really changed very much since he first went away to college. </p>

<p>I hate to be a pest or make him feel like contacting me is a burden. Somehow having to ask for the contact diminishes it, certainly in his eyes. I don’t seem to be able to shake the feeling that somewhere along the way, I lost this relationship. It can feel a bit lonely, especially when you see other friends of yours whose offspring seem willing, engaged, and truly interested.</p>

<p>I totally understand how you feel. I don’t like it either, but mostly it really hurts my feelings. It’s hard to know when I just need to let go and recognize we may never have the kind of relationship I’d like. I kept hoping he would mature into recognizing that we (the parents) are worth spending time with. </p>

<p>I’ll be checking back to learn what I can. In the mean time, I hope you get a better outcome than me thus far. Best of luck.</p>

<p>My kids were giving me the silent treatment. When I asked them why, they said it’s because I posted/commented on their FB wall/photos/posts. </p>

<p>Ask your son if he’d prefer you stopped doing that. Whether he says yes or no, you’ve broken the ice on the communication issue with a topic that’s in his control. From there you could bring your preferences into the conversation. </p>

<p>When you raise your preferences, you have to be specific. You can’t say, “I’d like to hear from you more.” You have to say, “I’d like a phone call on Sunday afternoons.” etc. </p>

<p>When you send texts, you have to say “please reply” if you need an answer. Conversly, use “no reply necessary” when that applies. It will be a relief to him and may increase his willingness to respond on the important things. </p>

<p>When you’re taking the van for an oil change, don’t propose it for his approval. Just tell him. “I’ll be there at 10. You can sleep, but I’m getting the keys and taking the van for service.”</p>

<p>I agree with the concensus. Kids this age are clueless. They just don’t know about the vacuum the create. They need to be taught/guided/coached into weening us from their lives.</p>

<p>I was eaves dropping on my work partners phone call to his 20 year old son at school last spring>
partner: hey dude, call your mom.
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partner: just call her
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partner: just call her
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partner: one call a month is not enough. Don’t be a little jerk.
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partner: BECAUSE YOU ARE BREAKING YOUR SWEET MOMS HEART!!! And if I find her crying one more time , I’m coming down there to <strong>expletive deleted</strong>
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partner: yes, well there is a helluva lot you don’t know about your mom. She does not ask much, just an <em>expletive deleted</em> call. NOW CALL HER and don’t make me ask you again. GOT IT? OK? answer me… GOT IT? OK! …click…</p>

<p>Now I know this kid well. He has got plenty going for him, but takes a lot for granted and just assumes that everything is mellow and cool. Apparently he calls at least once a week now.</p>

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<p>I love this transcript ^^^. What I said: they just are clueless.</p>

<p>Musicamusica, can I pay your partner to make a phone call for me? :)</p>

<p>Musicamusica, I want that man! :D</p>

<p>I’ve been in a male dominated business(industrial supplies) for thirty years. I just know that certain young men tend to react more efficiently to certain instructions if those instructions come from an older, louder male voice. And if that male behind that voice is a father who also controls the flow of money…well, all the better.</p>

<p>S1 is a wonderful communicator. He has called once a week since he left for college in 2004.<br>
S2, a rising senior like OP’s son, is not a good communicator. He tries to call once a week, but that call sometimes doesn’t happen for 2-3 weeks. I usually know that means there’s something he doesn’t want us asking about.<br>
We can’t get S1 off the phone; if a phone call lasts 10 minutes with S2, that’s an eternity.<br>
S2’s emails consist of short phrases, but at least I know he’s alive. I’ve taken to being very blunt with him about how I feel about his not calling regularly & not answering emails. Sometimes he seems to get it, but then he relapses.<br>
I know he & his brother have very different personalities & I’m never going to get the same level of communication with S2 that I get with S1. Hopefully, maturity will help.</p>

<p>musicamusica, I think I love this guy.</p>

<p>OP - you haven’t rasied a self-absorbed jerk, your son probably just communicates differently from you. You write long posts; he probably answers in single sentences. </p>

<p>What was he like when he lived at home? Has he ever been good at communicating? Does he seem more communicative at certain times (i.e. when he needs something) or with certain people? Some kids love to communicate, while others communicate only certain ways (phone, texts, emails, FB, in person, etc)</p>

<p>Be careful that you don’t try to “keep score”. I think I used to do that, and it’s a real turn off. Instead, try to keep your interactions short and sweet. My guess is that he’d be more comfortable if you didn’t make a big deal about it. When you converse, try to make it very specific and don’t go on and on. Expect short answers. He may not follow your style, but remember to keep the door open. He probably won’t recipricate, but try to maintain regular interactions. he may surprise you if you don’t make this an issue.</p>

<p>I email my kids nearly everyday, and have for years since the first one left home. I send articles of interest every morning as I read the papers - my articles have become a long standing joke, but they admit they are usually interesting. Then, they respond usually with a brief comment to acknowledge the article.</p>

<p>We usually talk twice a week or more. Either of us can call. One of the kids is better about calling, and it isn’t the one who asks more frequently for money.</p>

<p>When there is a love interest, communication is less - GF are very time consuming.</p>

<p>We don’t relate by Facebook and any type of social networking - that seems to be an area they prefer to keep private from me and I have none of those accounts.</p>

<p>I am sure there has been a time that I have intervened or their father has intervened when there have been conflicts - like musicamusica’s colleague.</p>

<p>I have been put off and offended just like the OP many times, but they are kids, so I expect them to act like kids.</p>

<p>Most recently, one of the kids told me “Mom, don’t worry your pretty little head about it”,
and after the initial shock, I was really annoyed.</p>

<p>First of all, thank you for the advice and replies, because I’m trying not to dump all my crazy into one phone call that will send him screaming for the hills. I’m hearing some very sound advice. I think I’ve been reluctant to demand or set specific parameters and that’s really interesting because I had no problem running the show and doing that when he lived here. I was not some super-lenient, indulgent parent that shied away from confronting bad behavior, so I don’t know how I ended up being this namby pamby about it all. That in itself might explain why he’s assuming everything’s fine—I didn’t hold back on letting him know there was a problem when he lived here. </p>

<p>To the person who suggested the options of a frank discussion or therapy—oh, how I long for therapy—but I’m between insurance carriers and so no therapy for me. You guys are it!</p>

<p>And it worked, because I realized something. I had kind of a terrible mother—not a put a lit cigarette out on my forehead, just neglectful and crazy. As Anne Lamott said about her mother,“She did the best she could, it’s just that her best was awful. Like the Ministry of Silly Walks trying to raise a little girl.” So, I keep up a certain level of contact with her because I feel guilty if I don’t, but I pretty much never actually want to talk to her. You’re probably thinking I’m nuts, so please peruse this example. She was recently hospitalized for colon cancer surgery. Now, I may not like her, but I’m not going to abandon her and leave my father on his own to deal with this, and it’s hard to find somebody vicious and threatening when they have to remove their dentures before surgery. She looked frail and old and terrified, and I just felt terrible for her. So she has all these sort of estranged relatives that I’ve never met, and she wanted me to call all of them, and I said I would set up a Caringbridge webpage so they could track her progress. None of them commented—sad—but many of her local and work friends did. I printed out the posts and took them to her, and she read down the list, ridiculing each person who posted. She’s that kind of person. So anyway, I see her because I feel obligated, and I never wanted my sons to feel that way about me. I want them to want to see me because, hey, I’m fun and I’m good company and I know when to leave. I am sure I am projecting a rejection onto my son that he doesn’t actually feel. And I don’t think I would’ve realized that without reading your comments. </p>

<p>I’m going to talk to him and just say, hey, I know your life is kind of spontaneous and kind of nocturnal but I need you to make more of an effort to visit my world occasionally—the world where you can meet me for lunch at noon. </p>

<p>I created this by not being clear in my expectations. However, at his graduation his favorite teacher was speaking–his graduating class had 1600 students, so it was in this huge auditorium. In front of the entire graduation class and their families and the faculty this teacher said,“I had a visit from one of my favorite students today(insert name here) and we talked about how eager he is to get away from home, out from under the constant parental superivision…” Okay. Howabout you bake your own damn cookies then?! So you know, it didn’t get off to a good start. I’m sure he was just expressing what everybody feels when they’re leaving home, but man, that was humiliating. He said later that he didn’t expect that comment to wind up in a speech and I think it was crummy of the teacher to use his name. </p>

<p>As I said on this forum three years ago—if I’d known I’d be discarded like an old sock the minute he left home I’d have spent a lot less time baking cookies and a lot more time on the couch with a tumbler of bourbon. </p>

<p>I’ve always been a confident mother who followed my instincts, but the last three years I’ve been befuddled by it all. I’m going to try a phone call tonight and I’ll let you know how it goes. Thank you, thank you, thank you all!</p>

<p>Curioser----I’ll keep you posted, and thanks for the empathy. That is also part of the problem, that I see many very loving and reciprocal relationships happening between parents and college kids. Now it is true that most of them are girls, but still, I know some women that see and hear from their sons too. The most annoying thing is that there’s a neighbor kid that lived at my house all summer long while he was growing up. His mom worked and had a very vigorous fitness routine she followed after work and his older brother played a lot of sports, and that kid ate his meals at my house, got transported to team sports with my son etc. I didn’t mind at all, but it kind of rankles me that his mother hears from him a lot—and she really wasn’t around much—and my kid, who had all the luxury and freedom of having a parent available doesn’t call me at all. I know—because she seems more inaccessible and that kid had to work to get her attention, so he’s probably still working for it, whereas my kid could totally take me for granted because I was as constant as the sun coming up every day. That’s what I wanted. That was my choice. My mother worked long hours, was married to her job, and left me home alone from second grade on. Yes, second grade I was allowed to go home alone and make my own lunch. So I didn’t want that for my kids. It was my choice. I can’t put it on them now that I sacrificed to be with them, but still. </p>

<p>So yes, it hurts my feelings and I don’t talk about it a lot because it feels kind of shameful, like what’s wrong with me, what kind of mother was I that my own kid can’t get out of bed to see me. The woman I visited Bloomington with has a daughter that just started grad school. She moved four hours away over a month ago. They’ve seen her five times. She drove over and met them where they were vacationing—she wanted to see them that much. Now, I’ve got two more boys coming up so hopefully one of them will be a little more like that. </p>

<p>It makes me feel like a crazy girlfriend going—why won’t he call, what’s he doing now…</p>