How much should I try to influence/direct my kid's college decisions?

You can get a degree in art, and follow it up with certificates, interning, volunteering and jobs. I am still getting certifcates in my 70’s!

My music kid has a well-paying job in administration, and continues a creative life. You can’t predict life and I truly believe that if you overplan, too early, you get in the way of opportunities that might be truly fulfilling.

Majoring in art doesn’t have to lead to a career in art. It gives 4 years of exploration, a degree, possibly some internship experience, but there are all kinds of options to follow, including teaching. I go to open studios and although many of the artists went to art school, they are working in all different fields during the weekday.

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Agree 100%

Especially with artistic kids, sometimes as parents we need to let them lead the way and take a leap of faith with them.

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Some majors’ related jobs have their ups and downs due to economic and industry cycles.

Some majors are too specialized in focus to a related job that does not really give those in those majors a preference in hiring.

Some majors’ related jobs are in small numbers compared to the number of graduates in those majors, even in the good part of economic and industry cycles.

Arts majors probably fall into the last category.

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A lot of good advice has been given so far. As a person in her late 50s, I have a slightly different perspective to offer - that of the former artsy kid whose parents discouraged her from applying to art school or studying art and who STILL strongly regrets not going for it. I also have a young adult son with a degree in music who is gainfully (if not especially lucratively) employed in his field so I’ve seen this issue from both sides. I don’t know if my story will help but it might give you more to think about.

In high school I was an “average excellent” student, which back then was enough to get into many top colleges. I was an intellectual kid and enjoyed learning about all sorts of subjects (though not a fan of science or math). But my true love was art. When I brought up studying art in college my parents strongly discouraged it, saying I’d never be able to make a living. While disappointed, I was not the type of kid to push back against my parents’ wishes, especially since I also enjoyed many other subjects, and I was looking forward to the general college experience. I think if I’d been 10 years younger I might have pushed for studying graphic design or something like that, but back in the mid-80s computer graphics were not yet a thing.

My acceptances were at so called “Ivy+” colleges, I went in as “undecided,” picked one and had a fantastic 4 years. BUT, I chose two majors both of which are arguably even less career-ready than art. So it took me quite a few years to find my footing, career wise. A series of opportunities at one of the entry level jobs I had, and some luck, led me into a career in a field that didn’t exist when I was in college, and the liberal arts education has helped me pivot, repeatedly.

That said, almost EVERYTHING I have enjoyed in my life, from the best jobs I have had to all my hobbies and things I enjoy doing in my free time, all would have been enriched had I had solid training in drawing, painting, color, lettering, typography, graphic design, all those sorts of creative things.

I probably would have gone further in my career, also. As it was, my self-taught creative side and abilities were a reason why I got certain opportunities at work, and any time a brochure or flyer or program or graphic or photography was needed and there was no pro in house to do it, I was called upon because I was the artsy one who knew how to use Photoshop and Lightroom and such. I did ok, but often regretted not having more of an art background because it would take me ten times longer to do things by trial and error and the end result was usually not as good as I’d envisioned (yet still much better than what my colleagues could have come up with).

I have continued to teach myself creative skills and to pursue artistic things for fun and I plan to take actual classes in the arts in retirement. But yes, almost every day at some point I regret not having studied art.

So what would I have done if I were the parent of a child like I was? I would have supported the art study but also would have strongly encouraged “regular” colleges with good art programs over art schools (some of that opinion is informed by seeing my kid start at a conservatory and transfer to a “regular” university). If a stand alone art school was being seriously considered, I’d make sure that we talked through all the down sides, like what would happen if the student wanted to change majors, and the realities of transferring (e.g. many specialized credits not transferring and probably an extra year of schooling being needed to complete Gen Eds and less $ for transfers). I would talk about my belief that being around people on campus with vastly different career aspirations and skill sets is important for envisioning and taking advantage of a variety of professional opportunities that may not be quite what you originally envisioned.

Once at college, I would have advised that child to get a part time job, and to be a regular visitor at the career center, and to apply for internships during college, both art-related and not, to get good work experience for the resume. I would have encouraged that child to apply for all sorts of jobs after college, not just art-related, and to think about how those artistic and creative skills could be applied to any entry level job that was attainable post-graduation, as well as to hobbies and volunteer work. And I would point out that often making art is more fun and freeing when it isn’t your job and you don’t have the time pressure to complete a project.

Good luck with this process! I know it isn’t easy.

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We have encouraged all our kids to study what they wanted in college. D decided to do a BFA in ballet (at a top college for ballet but not a dedicated arts school) and has spent the last three years since graduation in an unpaid second company position. So that has required a lot of money, which fortunately came from her leftover 529 funds as she got a full ride merit scholarship for college. She’s now stopped dancing after failing to get a paid full company position, as it just wasn’t sustainable any more (she was the last of the ~35 girls in her freshman class to still be dancing with a company, everyone else had already given up).

However, in the last two months since that decision was made, she has been able to find jobs very quickly even in this challenging economy. She got a fill-in job at the climbing gym within a week, has had multiple interviews every week since then, turned down one job already and has now accepted an admin position in an arts organization that she’s really excited by.

What I think has made the difference is not her dance skills or any of the other classes she took in college, but her academic record (including the scholarship which was for <1% of students at her state flagship, and is easily recognized by employers as she’s moved back to her college town), obvious willingness to work hard (3.9+ GPA with a BFA plus an Honors BS completed in four years) and just having an interesting profile as a professional ballerina.

Clearly she got pulled from the pile of resumes very frequently, she had at least 10 interviews from her first 30 applications, and for the job she’s now accepted, the company reached out proactively to her when it came up, after she’d previously interviewed with them for a temporary part-time position.

My takeaway from her experience is that firstly you need to be able to support your kid if they are going to pursue their dream after college, so don’t spend all your money on the most expensive college. And secondly, think about what their resume will look like afterwards: what on there will make you stand out to potential employers?

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We are looking at a different but similar situation in that our kid (about to start junior year of high school) is considering 1-2 schools that are guaranteed admission and have their desired major but there is little opportunity to change majors if they change their mind. I think our compromise position is likely to be requiring them to apply to at least one school that also will have an easy application and guaranteed admission but offers a broader variety of options for major. That way if kiddo changes their mind during their senior year they will still have somewhere to go. The choice will still be theirs, but it will help keep their options open.

After seeing a friend’s kid develop a medical problem that prevented them from moving away from home right after high school but left them able to attend school mostly normally, we also have a requirement that the kids have a safety school very close to home (for one kid it was a 4-year college, for the other it will be continuing at the CC where they currently dual enroll so no extra application needed). While we give the kids complete freedom to make choices as long as they stay within our (comfortable but not extravagant) budget, I’m OK with having a few practical requirements to address problems that they wouldn’t think to be concerned about.

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What colleges give little chance to change a major ?

One may need to extend and some majors are harder than others to get into but I’m not aware of any schools where it’s near impossible to change - short of maybe very focused schools - like fashion or art - that have few majors to begin with.

In our case, kid is interested in possibly playing a sport at a very small NAIA school, and kid is interested in studying to be a middle school science/math teacher. That’s fine! I actually love the fact that the 2 schools that kid has looked at require more classes in science/math and fewer ‘philosophy of teaching’ classes than the bigger Us, so I have no complaints about choosing those schools for that major. But, kid is good at STEM stuff (hence the interest in teaching those subjects). They could possibly major in a some science subjects at the tiny schools, but they are not STEM focused and kid’s opportunities (research, variety of courses offered) would be much more limited. Not all science majors are possible (yes to biology, no to physics) and there is no engineering pathway. When I say it’s not possible to change majors I don’t mean that there is literally no other major available, but that there is nothing that aligns with kid’s interests. If they wanted to switch to psychology or social work it would be possible, and maybe they would go that direction, but there isn’t much in the STEM fields.

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So to continue with my arts daughter… We knew she wouldn’t be linear. My son was 4 years college, engineering degree, job.

We told us she wanted life experiences and try out different thing’s. She took a gap year junior year to back pack in South East Asia by herself. She was already in Indonesia doing a study abroad. She applied to another college and got a Presidential scholarship. 50% off. Yeah!

She normally takes the road less traveled upon. This is her normal.

She also had her eyes open while working on a movie set in LA. She was the Art Director with a credit for this “b” movie by the guys of Sharknado. She got to pick and create sets from Warner Bros. Great great experiences. She also went to an award show. But. Here’s the but… She saw adults in their 50s still trying to “make” it. From actor’s to behind the scenes people. Usually in theater the behind the scenes people usually can get job’s and pivot.

But now in her master for Speech Pathology she can use all her experiences
She loves, loves her major. She also worked with autistic kids and lots of nannying and pre school work during and after the pandemic. .

This is just who she is. If we didn’t support her choices she wouldn’t have ended up where she is today. Having experiences was! Is important to her. Not everyone has a linear path.

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