How to handle flameout in 2nd semester college sophomore?

<p>S attends a very selective, highly ranked, private university, which is far away from home ( flying distance). He participates in a very time consuming EC, which he excels at, and his entire social circle is with other students in that EC. He had 3 solid semesters, with steadily climbing GPA, ~3.35, 3.45, and 3.55, and no grades below a B-. That GPA is actually a bit low for the top law schools, which he would like to eventually attend. Still, he was doing well, and I was pleased with his progress at this selective, rigorous University, which had been a reach school for him. </p>

<p>Then his 4th semester, he flamed out. He missed a fair amount of classes from being out of town for a major event for his EC (where he won a significant individual award) about a month before the end of the semester. He already had lower than usual grades that semester, and then fell behind in some longer term assignments and couldn’t complete them by the deadline, couldn’t handle it, and just checked out on everything. He stopped going to classes completely. And he didn’t show up to take any of his final exams. He stopped reading his email, turned off his phone much of the time, etc. During this period, he faked a brave face, and sounded mostly normal on during occasional (every week or so) phone calls home, although he was slower to return calls or emails than usual, and sometimes phone calls went straight to voice mail, and he claimed some vague computer problem that was impacting his access to email. </p>

<p>I have the password to his online student account, to access grades, schedule, and email. He knows I have the password to access schedule and tuition bills, but I don’t think he realizes that I can access his email. I’ve always occasionally checked his email from time-to-time, since he isn’t very communicative in general, and it lets me know what is going on. I started to get worried when his email looked like it wasn’t being read, late in the semester, and especially when I saw email indicating that he had missed the end-of-year banquet for his EC, with several people asking him about it, and him not replying. Then during the middle of finals, I checked the online grades and saw that he had an F in one class and had not shown up to take the final (in the class he had indicated earlier that he didn’t like and wasn’t doing well in), and got very worried. I was out of the country on a business trip at the time, working long hours in a very different time zone, and asked H to call S. H thought I was overreacting, but did call S and talked to him, and he seemed to be fine and said he was preparing for finals. H didn’t tell him about me accessing the system and seeing that he missed a final.</p>

<p>Then, on the last day of finals, I saw an email from a professor indicating that he had missed another final exam, this time in his favorite class that he had been doing very well in. That had me totally panicked, and I decided to fly out to his school ASAP, although after discussion with H, he ended up flying out that night. H showed up at S’s room, who was shocked to see him, and admitted that he had just given up the last several weeks of school, and they talked things through. </p>

<p>We arranged for H and S to meet with S’s adviser, who was incredibly helpful. We made an emergency appointment with student health services mental health department (although not much came out of it, except for scheduling a follow up visit). Based on advice from adviser, S send emails (with H looking over his shoulder) to all of his professors with a brief explanation and asking to be allowed a chance to make up the missed work. One professor replied immediately and offered him to take the test 2 days later, which S did. His grades for the semester were A, C-, F, and two incompletes. He is on academic probation. </p>

<p>H helped S pack up and move out (he was in a single), and put things in storage. S spent 1.5 weeks at home, then back to school where he had a paid summer research internship lined up, a sublet apartment with roomates, etc. He seemed normal and in good spirits while home, and happy as long we weren’t talking about school stuff, although he didn’t get together with HS friends, which he would normally do when back home. After a week, we tried to encourage to start doing the makeup work for his incompletes, but he wouldn’t do it. H and I debated whether or not to let him go back to school for the summer, but in the end thought it would be easier to work with student health services who hopefully had experience with this type of problem, and the adviser had suggested that it might be easier to make up work if near campus during the summer. We told him that we wanted to check on his status regularly throughout the summer and he agreed, and forced him to make a short-term plan, which he didn’t want to do, and certainly didn’t buy in to.</p>

<p>Now, we’re a few weeks in, and I don’t see evidence that he is making much of any progress on the makeup work, and is certainly not on schedule with the plan we forced him to make. He met with a psychiatrist at student health services again, but they didn’t give him any diagnosis, scheduled another appointment in a month, and suggested that he also meet with a counselor. (Of course, we’re only hearing what S is chosing to share with us.) </p>

<p>We told him clearly a week ago on the phone that unless he has made up ALL of his missing work before tuition was due, he isn’t going back to school in the fall, because we won’t pay tuition if we don’t believe that he will be able to handle it, and the best way to prove that he could handle it was to do the makeup work. He had said earlier that he wants to go back to school in the fall, and that he doesn’t know why he fell apart, that it seems silly looking back, and that he thinks he will be OK. He said he had felt stressed because he was at a school full of academic superstars and it was hard to not be “one of the elites”, like he was in high school, but that he really liked the school and wanted to stay there. I also suggested dropping the very time consuming EC, but he doesn’t want to do that. We also discussed taking fewer hours (he has a buffer from AP credits), not having a minor, and taking easier classes, etc. The school and his adviser have really been incredibly supportive, but I don’t think he will have another chance to salvage his GPA if he flames out again. The dean in charge of academic probation students said he should seriously consider taking some time off, rather than return before he is ready.</p>

<p>S is not making much of any progress so far on the makeup work, as far as I can tell. The professor for the class he failed offered him to audit the class during the summer, and he could replace the F with that grade. During phone calls, S has lied about email communication with professors (“she hasn’t gotten back to me yet”, when in truth she did, but S hasn’t replied back to the professor, etc.), but I haven’t called him on the lies, since I don’t want to admit that I’m reading his email, since I’m afraid he will change his password and then I’ll be in the dark about what is going on.</p>

<p>I’m looking for advice on what to do. I don’t know how much to power up the helicopter and interfere, or let him sink or swim on his own. Do I push hard and nag him to get things done? Do I admit that I’m reading his email and challenge him on the lies? Do I back off and let him deal with school work himself, and just be supportive? He has always been a procrastinator, but in HS could rely on being smart and quick enough to get by when doing things at the last moment, and the bar is a lot higher at his U. At this point, with his current level of effort, left to his own devices, I doubt he will be able to makeup the work in time. And what should we do if Plan B happens, and he doesn’t go back to school in the fall? My thought is to have him come back home, work a lousy hourly job, and find a local therapist. However, even lousy hourly jobs are hard to find these days, especially if he isn’t motivated to find one, which he won’t be, since he will be angry to not be going back to school. </p>

<p>I just don’t know what is going on in his head. Not showing up to finals, even for classes he liked? From the outside, it sounds like depression, but in person he didn’t seem depressed. From what he has said, it seems more like anxiety than depression. Yet, the psychiatrist didn’t diagnose anything, or recommend any medication. So, I’m just at a loss. Anyway, this was very long, thanks for reading, and for any advice.</p>

<p>I certainly agree with you not paying tuition for next year if he doesn’t finish up the work from this year. I’m a psychologist, but we don’t diagnose over the internet. He sounds overwhelmed at the very least. You will get lots of good input here. My input for now is to set the limit on not paying tuition if he’s not doing the work. It’s not in his best interests either. Sounds like he may need to be closer to home for now. Maybe he could find an interesting volunteer job in a field of interest if he can’t find a paid job. It might help him focus a bit. Hugs to you–this is obviously rough for a parent!</p>

<p>Can he take a break like foreign study or an internship somewhere other than campus for a semester after the summer? I know I so appreciated my sophomore spring internship break and my junior foreign study break. Each time I came back excited to be back on campus and back “in the groove.”</p>

<p>More hugs. This is hard.</p>

<p>If I can respectfully make a suggestion… and I don’t know if this is a long standing pattern with your son or not… but it doesn’t look like you’ve allowed him (or made him, depending on your point of view) to “own” the problem. Moreover, I’ll bet you lunch that the three of you don’t even agree on what the problem is.</p>

<p>So I think you are certainly within your rights to have a sit-down (or take a long walk-- this is not a conversation you want to have over the phone) where you explain that you have budgeted X for his college education, and much as you’d love to be in a position to provide him with a lengthy period of time to “figure things out” at college, unfortunately, you have 8 semesters worth of tuition money which means that he needs to figure things out when the meter is not ticking.</p>

<p>So he can make a couple of decisions in the next few weeks:
1- Go back to his college and figure out a way to graduate on time. He has advisors and deans and professors who will do the heavy lifting on this-- you can’t be the ones to tell him to drop his minor, use his AP credits, make up his incompletes, etc. He’s a smart kid- he has to own the problem and then own the solution.
2- Take a leave of absence, come home, get a job at Walmart or whatever. He’ll need to work with the deans and the other professionals on what and when his re-entry plan will look like, and you’ll leave it up to him to come up with a plan which the U will sign off on.
3- Take a leave of absence and stay in the college town near his friends, but he’ll need more than a few shifts at Walmart to cover his food and rent so he’ll need to get going finding a job.</p>

<p>And then back off. No reading his email, no reminding him that he’s got incompletes (believe me, he knows it), no checking up on whether he’s started reading Crime and Punishment so he can write that pesky paper on Russian Lit or whatever. You guys were wonderful and supportive and non-punitive and everything a kid could hope a parent would be during a bad episode- but he’s made some bad choices due to being overwhelmed or anxious or god knows what, and you haven’t allowed him to start making some good choices yet which will get him to a decision about moving forward.</p>

<p>He doesn’t sound like he’s battling addiction or a learning disability or bi-polar or online gambling issues, so I think monitoring his email is over the line. Moreover, although he hasn’t necessarily acted in his own best interests, his actions don’t really meet the test of “self destructive behaviors” (i.e eating disorder, cutting, etc.)</p>

<p>So you’ve got a smart kid who is overwhelmed at a tough school; lots on his plate with the EC; not wanting to fess up to Mom and Dad that he’s procrastinating now on catching up on his work. This is a dog bites man story, not the other way around.</p>

<p>Tell him you love him and that if he decides he doesn’t want to be at college right now you will respect that decision 100%, but he needs to work out a plan for graduating after 8 semesters- and by your count, he’s going to be a few credits short unless he gets going now with a roadmap forward.</p>

<p>I keep coming back to your son’s EC. I feel there is a connection to what is going on with him and the EC. Have you talked to the coach/leader? Your son doing well at the out of town event but then missing the awards banquet where all of his friends are, may hold a clue. Have you talked to his friends?</p>

<p>Doing well at school and his EC, but then ‘shutting down’ also holds some sort of clue. I know procrastinators tend to be perfectionists and perfectionists would rather not try than fail.</p>

<p>As far as what to do as his parents, he isn’t being honest or forthcoming with you. And that makes it really hard to help him, but he seems to be really lost and punishment doesn’t feel like the right solution. Taking away his EC and college as punishment doesn’t feel right to me, but he needs to partner up here or how will you be able to help?</p>

<p>Maybe he needs to come home this summer so you can all work this out. Then maybe he will be ready to tackle college again in the fall. But right now, it sounds like he hasn’t dug himself out of whatever caused the problem to begin with. Ask him why he isn’t fixing this? Ask him to show you proof that he has fixed it, that he wants to resume regular classes this fall. (because I’m not sure he does) It is okay if he is confused or scared or sick, but he needs to partner with you on this so he can move towards something good, not just remain stuck in a negative situation. </p>

<p>I am guessing he knows what the problem is, but he is afraid of how you or others will react. Somehow, you will need to convey your unconditional support in order to hear the truth. I can tell you are a good mom. Hugs to you.</p>

<p>Paragraph 3 is troubling. You access his grades, schedule and emails?? The helicopter has already landed.</p>

<p>I agree with paris. My oldest son has serious issues, but I still don’t think it’s right to check his emails. If he can’t succeed without my doing that, college isn’t right for him.</p>

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<li><p>Um, what you’re doing is, if not criminal, then highly morally dubious. Stop spying on your son.</p></li>
<li><p>Yes, it sounds like going back to school next semester would be a waste of money for you and a bad thing for your son. I don’t know him, but it sounds like he needs to take some time off, get a job, get his **** together, and return to school on his own terms, when he’s decided he wants to give it a go for real. You can’t force help on someone who’s floundering and doesn’t care.</p></li>
<li><p>Seriously, stop reading his emails. What right do you have to expect him to behave like an adult and take responsibility for his life when you’re treating him like an infant? Are you still going to be monitoring his email ten years from now? Booking last-minute flights to whatever far-flung location he’s in based on information he doesn’t want you to have?</p></li>
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<p>Reading other people’s private correspondence is not okay.</p>

<p>I have to wonder what he would have said to you if you had not read the e-mails, which I’m assuming he knew when your H called. He’s not talking to you, but you in many ways created that situation. I doubt my kids would talk to me if they knew I was spying on them. How do you know he’s not making progress right now? Are you still reading his e-mails etc.? What is your son saying to you now? Personally as hard as it will be, I think you need to give him some breathing room for this summer and tell him you are going to leave him alone. That he should work with his major adviser, his probation adviser and the psychiatrist and put together a plan that he feels is correct. Tell him you’ll regroup at the end of the research time and you are hoping he’ll have a decision about the fall and you’ll support his decision. Meanwhile you and your H can make a plan A and a plan B. He’s on probation so he’s either going to get it together or he’s not and he’s coming home (or whatever plan B you and your H have in mind punitive or foreign study or something else.)</p>

<p>I agree. You really should not be checking his emails. How would you like it if he had access to all your bank accounts, phone records, email, etc, and he was checking up on you? He is an adult, and he needs to be treated like one. That being said, he is also in need of help, and maybe a little space to figure things out. There is no shame in him taking some time to figure things out, and maybe going to a less selective, lower ranked university closer to home where he might succeed. Or he could make his own Plan B, which may not involve college at all. I believe Steve Jobs followed such a path.</p>

<p>I had a similar experience almost 40 years ago. I flamed out in sophomore year and got a bunch of incompletes. It took me a few stints of “lousy hourly jobs” to get me motivated to go back to college and get a degree. I was definitely depressed, but in those days my parents had no clue, so they never got me professional help. At the time it was over a failed relationship, but thinking back on it I had other issues, and that was just one part of the equation. I needed time at home to get myself into a better place emotionally.</p>

<p>Maybe Plan B shouldn’t be couched in such negative terms, like “lousy jobs” “isn’t motivated” and “angry”. In my case, I came home for a while, worked, and make a plan to travel. (I must have run into Steve Jobs in India at some point- we were born in the same year). I made a lot more mistakes, but at least I got myself going again. Eventually I went back to school at 25- now I have a Master’s and a great job. That whole time of self-discovery my parents left me pretty much alone
(they really didn’t know how to handle me anyway). It all worked out. Good luck to you.</p>

<p>Seems to me that he initially used his EC as an excuse, when then, when it came right down to it, when he wasn’t even trying, he doesn’t sound like he should be at school at all. There can be many reasons, but it’s not because of his EC was too demanding. Gee, he didn’t even get to the final dinner.</p>

<p>He’s probably scared about what he will be doing instead of school. But, wait. That boat already left: you’re scared about what he has been doing. And what HAS he been doing instead of going to classes? Studying? Papers? ECs? Reading his emails? Whatever is keeping him from his school commitments has to be figured out before you spend another dime on tuition.</p>

<p>Bring him home. Make him take a leave of absense and then talk about this. He needs to start being honest with you, and you can be honest with him.</p>

<p>Our good friends had a brilliant son, in a highly selective school and program - the typical top of the class kid at a challenging HS, had traveled the world and had pretty much every advantage - and he flamed out also sophomore year. He knocked around, on his own, his parents pretty much left him alone and went back to a college he could afford at age 24 and graduated at age 26 summa cum laude. He’s starting law school this fall at NYU after working a couple years. It happens. If there are no physical or mental issues other than a need to find himself chances are he will…either this summer or at some point… but perhaps everyone needs a time out for alittle while.</p>

<p>Concur with Ghostt.</p>

<p>OP: In addition to your son getting some counseling I wonder if you might need a little yourself. Your inability to let your son go is problematic for him, you and your husband. Just reading about the situation and about all of the pressure you are putting on him right now made me really sympathize with him. He needs room to breathe and if necessary to fail and then pick himself on his own. If you continue to smother him to this extent how will he ever learn and grow strong on his own. Have him take a gap year and you should too. </p>

<p>I don’t mean to make you feel bad but you need to hear it. Believe me I’m not always good at giving my kids necessary space either. But when you see it from the outside it’s easier to see what’s necessary.</p>

<p>Good luck!!</p>

<p>I sympathize with delfinium’s decision to check her son’s email at least to confirm that it’s not substance abuse, addiction, or a serious mental health issue. A sudden change in behavior after 3 semester suggests that this isn’t an irrational concern. And any of these could be life-threatening and which justifies an invasion of privacy.</p>

<p>An no, her son is not an adult yet. Adults are self-supporting and self-managing. Clearly, her son has hit a bump in the road to maturity and needs help - although he obviously was unable to ask for it last semester, or dig himself out by making up the work. Of course, no one can force him to get back on track, but as others have said, it probably doesn’t make sense to send him back to school until he has identified what happened last semester, clearly understands where he made his mistakes and has a plan in place to make sure it doesn’t happen again. A counselor sounds like the way to go - for him and for you both.</p>

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It doesn’t sound like this checking of email is in response to some alarming change in behavior. It sounds like something the OP has been doing regularly, and secretly. Covert Black Helicopter operations.</p>

<p>You felt your husband was able to have a good conversation with your son. Talk with your husband. You and he need to decide what’s best not only for your son, but for yourselves (and the entire family). </p>

<p>My concern about seeking advice here is similar to my concern about your reading your son’s email. I assume you check your son’s email looking for reassurance. The unfortunate part is that process has not been reassuring because it fuels worrying.</p>

<p>Everyone here is trying to help you. But, it’s hard to say how helpful it will be for you, which is why I suggest you talk with your husband. You and he know your son best. I hope all three of you will get to the point where you can all work this through together.</p>

<p>I don’t think we can so eaily blame you- there’s really not enough background here to know if you are the unacceptably nosy mom or some situation over time led you to take advantage of the access you have. </p>

<p>I am reeling right now because your situation is much like what D2 is going through. I’m stunned her top 20 school still lists her as “in good standing” - it’s probably because her overall gpa still exceeds minimums. Last semester was in the pits. She never had the strong 3 semesters your son did. </p>

<p>But, we are not threatening to stop paying. There are particulars to her tale that don’t need to be stated here yet. But, she has created problems, as your son has. She knows all the reassuring words, but isn’t producing. She won’t take our advice to scale back to easy classes.</p>

<p>College is a serious and expensive proposition. When we believe our kids have the potential for, eg, a top law school, we tend to frame some academic situations in that light. “Ruining their futures.” Somehow, it’s important to figure what is really behind all this. Is it a pothole and he lacks the maturity to tackle it? Or, the responsibilities are overwhelming (as they can be, for many kids at the end of soph year, esp at a reach) and he’s more comfortable with his head in the sand, playing the “not a little kid but not a real young adult yet” game? Is it something going on in his personal life, relationships or identity that needs uncovering? Or, is something else, more troubling, behind it?</p>

<p>Is your son actually participating in the internship? Can you confirm that? Do you have any reason to suspect he is spending his apt life spinning deeper into trouble? </p>

<p>I’ve got more to say, but will hold it for now.</p>

<p>If your son is feeling so overwhelmed by that EC or anything else that he’s shutting down and quitting to the point of doing poorly/failing some classes and picking up two incompletes that he seems to be refusing to deal with, that’s not a good indicator considering his law school plans. </p>

<p>Even assuming he is able to get into a top 14 law school*, from what I’ve heard from everyone who attended law school…the workload’s much worse, much more self-directed, and knowing how one stands in terms of academic performance is much harder as your final grade in most 1L core law classes is often the product of one final exam at the end of the term or if you’re lucky…a midterm and final. </p>

<p>Grades are also usually curved in all the 1L core law classes so how well you do is heavily dependent on how strong your classmates are so it’s much more likely one ends up in the middle to bottom of their classes than the top. Many former undergrads who were topflight scholars with excellent grades often find themselves suddenly pulling grades which place them in the middle-bottom of the pack at the end of their first semester in law school. </p>

<p>Moreover, there’s no such thing as “going to an easier law school” by attending one with lower rankings. If anything, the curves/competition in lower ranking law schools tends to be much worse as everyone is gunning to be top 5-10% needed not only to transfer to a top 14…but also to get one of the few available private sector, clerkship and public interest positions…assuming they are even interested/able to hire their graduates. </p>

<p>Even if he recovers, he’ll probably be much better off working at least 2 years before going on to law school or better yet…reconsidering law school/being a lawyer altogether…especially considering the job market for even most top 14 law grads is still weak. </p>

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<li>It’s possible to get into such schools with low 3.x GPAs provided one has exceedingly strong LSAT scores of 170 or better.</li>
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<p>OP- it is way too early in the game to worry about law school.</p>

<p>Cobrat- while I believe everything you say is true-- I think OP is posting about a kid who needs a plan for passing sophomore year, not for getting into a T-14 or worrying about the curve at UVA law school vs. UT. He’s got bigger fish to fry right now, i.e. does he want to be at college.</p>