<p>well, unless you’re able to turn water into wine you wouldn’t be able to.</p>
<p>By the way if you can turn water into wine we really gotta meet sometime, we’ll make some serious cash.</p>
<p>All I’m saying is that theres no proof of anything no matter how you look at it, and unless you personally experience it there wont be. Which is why for me I gotta be agnostic, I simply can’t force myself to believe in one god that I have no proof of any more than I can believe in the monkey that lives in my closet.</p>
<p>gatordan, don’t be so cynical. You believe in things equally unlikely. Have you seen atoms? Of course not. How do you <em>know</em> they exist? Because others have told you they do? Science tells me this computer is mostly empty space, but I don’t see physical proof. Religion tells me there’s a God, but I don’t have physical proof. What’s the difference?</p>
<p>I obviously accept the atomic theory, but that’s beside the point.</p>
<p>uhh, there are scientific tests proving the existence of atoms, there is no test to prove the existence of god, if there is one please let me know.</p>
<p>I just don’t have faith in things that don’t have any proof. Cynical, maybe, but realistic.</p>
<p>May I ask why you started this thread? You posted an argument that you took to be proof of the existence of God. (You titled the threat after this.) Then when people started posting about your argument, you insulted various groups. Now you’re just proselytizing. What is the purpose of your OP?</p>
<p>I’m not sure if you were replying to me, but I actually deleted that part of my post (misread what gatordan wrote, oops!)</p>
<p>I don’t know if we can trust our senses, but we should depend on them first. Sure, we could sit around and talk about how life is an illusion and so on.</p>
<p>This is an open forum where anyone is allowed to post. Despite this, if you had so much as asked for atheists not to post, perhaps we wouldn’t have. You didn’t do so.</p>
<p>Why are you so scared of talking to atheists? OK, you believed that they are doomed, but what’s the harm in talking to them? Do you think your beliefs could take a hit?</p>
<p>And which sense directs us to a higher being?</p>
<p>tetrahedr0n- I agree with you (although I wasn’t referring to you lol). I was just pointing out that science has its own problems. That said,
science >>> philosophy </p>
<p>the topic has moved a little off this, but please, to whomever suggested deporting all the muslims from America, business_freak is right, think of all the great things the Islamic culture has brought us: 9/11, the patriot act, longer waits at the airport, gulf war, afghan war, Iraq war (how many soldiers died in those? I forget). You disgust me, whomever it was who even thought up the idea of sending away the muslims, think about what shambles our culture would be in without them.</p>
Religious beliefs and practices developed out of clan mentality - i.e. if you don’t believe this, you can’t live with us and share the benefits of our community. As thus, the faithful became more and more prevalent as they had a better chance of surviving (safety in numbers, etc). As for practices, it’s more of a way of proving you’re in (ie circumcision - allow us to do this to your son and if you don’t we can’t trust you). More complex than those examples, obviously, but it explains the developement of that innate belief (in some. Needless to say, I’m definitely lacking it).</p>
<p>Not to mention the absurd fallability of human senses.</p>
<p>A. of course America has done wrong, so have muslims, but it is my impression that 9/11 and all the terrorism was not supported by the vast majority of muslims, just as the klan is not supported by the vast majority of christians. </p>
<p>B. The patriot act is the fault of Americans infringing on American’s freedoms, not muslims doing so. </p>