“if $65 application fee is a hardship for u, how will u be able to pay the tuition of $60k?"

The truth hurts. So many cringe-worthy aspects to this story:

The Director of Graduate Admissions telling a prospective applicant that he’s too poor to afford NYU
http://mic.com/articles/130862/this-nyu-admin-just-accidentally-revealed-what-s-wrong-with-america-s-private-universities#.Z8pwomVde

The prospective applicant shouting back in a Tweet

Then comments from matriculated NYU student:

I can’t decide what’s worst in this article:

  1. That NYU is ungodly expensive ($71k)
  2. That the Graduate Admissions Director acknowledges NYU is ungodly expensive
  3. That someone w such a key role in the NYU administration is so tone-deaf
  4. That matriculated students commit irrational financial immolation (IFI) to attend NYU
  5. That non-wealthy applicants are in denial about committing IFI to attend NYU

I’ve never visited the school. So can someone who has, please explain to me what the attraction of this school is that makes people behave like idiots?

This ought to be an interesting thread! :wink:

No idea, but wow. :confused:

Plus, we’re talking graduate school.

I considered pursuing my MBA while my son finished homeschooling high school. Then I saw the price tag and said no thanks.

I am not one for contentious threads, and the admissions guy could be a little better ‘face of NYU,’ but… For us, we would really struggle to pay our actual EFC. We told our kids when they were young that they would have to get merit aid to go out of state as most of those schools would be too expensive for us. We wanted them to know what was realistic and what wasn’t. Personally, I attended a school that we couldn’t afford for a year and a half. I was working many hours and although it was fun in some ways, I totally burned out there and transferred to a commuter state school. In my opinion, it’s not worth going into massive debt to go to a particular school. It’s not worth being broke during school and totally stressed. There is a fine line. Obviously sacrifices are almost always necessary, but being on the brink of either having to drop out or some other crisis because of the cost is not worth it imo.

I think he was just being realistic. People no longer want to hear the truth if it is not what they want to hear.

NYU: can’t think of any part worth $71k…

I can understand the NYU employee’s answer. S/he probably doesn’t want this student borrowing to pay the app fee, only to have to decline admission due to affordability.

The applicant isn’t being reasonable. He was asking for a free app, which was declined. Would he have been fine with just a simple, “no” answer to his request?

What entitlement!
Do people go around with asking Porche dealers to lower their price when they can only afford a beater car? No. So why should they demand that private unis lower their price. Go where you can afford and stop asking for handouts!

^Not yet anyway

I think the prospective students are being ridiculous by calling the Director’s response “oppressive” and “elitist”, etc. The admissions officer just gave the applicant a dose of reality as far as I can tell. How is suggesting he take a year off to work and save offensive? I think many parents here on CC have advised their kids to do the same thing.

It would be different if there were full-pay scholorships available, but how in the world is this applicant expecting to fund a 40k shortfall?

One of the attractions of NYU is that it is outrageously expensive. Remember, some people subscribe to the “You get what you pay for” philosophy, aka “Something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it” so they think the highest priced school is the best school. NYU also has some great programs and some people love being in NYC. I think the admissions officer was giving some good advice. Many high income/high net worth/very well off, but not mega rich people have a little voice inside that tells them, “You cannot afford this, look elsewhere”. I don’t have a problem with someone getting the same message from an external source.

The presumption here is that NYU grad school admissions does not present itself as need blind.

NYU seems to be the poster child for outrageous unaffordability. I know there are lots of NYU supporters, and lots of other extremely expensive schools that don’t meet student financial need. But as an example for the masses, this one fits the bill.

There are so many colleges available to a particular student, and so many ways to seek graduate school fellowships and other aid. Our family had to restrict our college search for our child to schools that were affordable for our financial picture. We did not scream at the injustice of not being able to apply to expensive schools.

Sometimes the truth hurts, but it is still the truth.

A public policy masters program doesn’t have need based aid offered at any school, I expect. This isn’t just an NYU specific situation. Poorly worded by the NYU person, but they have a point. I wonder how schools respond if there is a request to waive the fee for a funded PhD program.

@mom2collegekids I read the twitter exchange and it looks like the first response from admissions was a simple “no” and then the potential student questioned that reponse and got the more detailed one. I think he ended up getting the fee waiver after all based on the twitter apology from NYU Tisch.

Like he’s going to be admitted…

inside higher ed has a little more detail to the story.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/12/21/potential-grad-applicant-nyu-goes-public-email-turning-down-fee-waiver-request

He absolutely has to be admitted and forced to borrow 120K as a punishment.

This student was asking for a fee waiver in order to apply to a program in “art politics.” Perhaps the guy from NYU could have been a bit more diplomatic, but what he said seems to be pretty sensible.

Art politics! :))

For many, it’s a combination of effective NYU marketing from the '90s onward and the increasing popularity of attending college in NYC in a “cool” area populated with bars/nightclubs, artistic/cultural/musical venues, fashionable brand and “vintage” clothing stores, restaurants, etc within close walking/public transportation distance.

In fact, for applicants/students who find this appealing…the area NYU is located in has far greater appeal in this area than other NYC area colleges like Columbia as it is right in one of the centers of NYC artistic/musical/fashion/nightlife. Incidentally, this appeal is far stronger for folks from outside NYC/urban areas than for those of us who grew up and lived in NYC.

The effective marketing factor is especially apparent to yours truly considering NYU was still transitioning to what it was now from being more of a commuter school for locals from NYC and nearby suburban areas in the early-mid-'90s when I was attending HS/applying to colleges.

Incidentally, NYU didn’t hold much appeal to most HS classmates not only because it was “too local”, but also because it was already exorbitantly expensive and wasn’t regarded very highly in the academic rep department with the notable exceptions of NYU-Stern or Tisch. The fact NYU CAS alone admitted over 1/3 of my graduating class…mostly those whose approximate academic rank fell somewhere between the lower-middle and bottom meant it didn’t usually attract topflight students.

A reason why NYU extended a limited number of full-tuition merit scholarships for students with elite/Ivy level stats and even then, most of those topflight students would opt for the elite/Ivy option as they’d be eligible for full FA…and won’t have the psychological pressure from the risk of losing the scholarship for failing to maintain a 3.5 cumulative minimum GPA at any point in their academic career.

Disclosure: I grew up around a half mile from the NYU campus and frequently passed in/around the campus during my childhood and teen years.

Similar to application fees for undergrad apps, depending on the PhD program and the student’s financial situation, many have waived application fees upon request on a case-by-case basis.

Several college and HS classmates have benefited from this when applying for undergrad and funded PhD programs. One can also receive waivers for application fees to law schools, including elite ones on the same basis. Same with med schools as several HS classmates had med school application fees waived for them as well. Grad/professional schools are more strict about granting them than undergrad, though.

The factors above is probably why the applicant concerned was taken aback by the answer, especially considering the answer from NYU admins plays right into perceptions that NYU has effectively become an exclusive rich kid’s school.

The anger among some local New Yorkers including older NYU alums(graduated in the mid-'80s and before) who recalled a time when NYU was better about living up to its motto of being “A Private University In The Public Service”…especially to its students.

There are an unlimited amount of people willing to pay WHATEVER the price NYU charges because NYU is in NY which is one of the most prestigious cities in the world. This is especially important to the uber wealthy foreign student and the uber wealthy NYC (silver spoon) establishment. The higher the price, the more exclusive. Its the non-uber wealthy (standard upper middle class) that can fall into this trap of overpaying for their kids under grad and grad studies at places like NYU so they can keep up with the Joneses.

Other schools are trying to keep up with the Joneses too (NYU) and that is why we now have $60K tuition at private schools and 30K tuition at state schools. And people are paying it instead of searching elsewhere.