<p>Hmmm I think I get your point. I personally think that being in ClubFed with mostly smart, white collar criminals might be rather painful. I don’t see the “hero” factor playing out very well but I haven’t been to ClubFed. What exactly does VICK have in common with a smart criminal? hehehe NOt much in my opine. One could make the argument that NO criminal is smart. What I see is the commonaltiy of hubris. There I can see that ClubFed is a match.</p>
<p>Countingdown-
Your post # 59 is the funniest I have read in a long time! Thanks for the laugh! I almost snorted my coffee through my nose!!</p>
<p>lol…don’t know much about ClubFed…but I know my husband occasionally plays golf with a recently retired NFL player… and he observes most in that group of successful white collar execs/golfers work reallllly hard to outdo each other kissing this player’s tush. Imho, the hero thing will play VERY well in federal lockup. </p>
<p>Plus, though what Vick did was incredibly dumb and incredibly cruel, who is to say he isn’t intellectually on par or superior to those white collar criminals with whom he’ll be bunking? I’ll bet they’ll have far more than hubris in common.</p>
<p>Thanks for the share…it seems you have some good knowledge. I gotta say this statement could get rather amusing. Bill Martin preps. No braids, no beads…fancy suit and tie. OMG that is all he could come up with? Needs to grow up and act solely responsible. Bad judgement and making bad decisions? He rejected dog fighting and found Jesus. Right. He did admit to lying and he seems resigned to jail time.</p>
<p>There was something on the radio this morning (but I didn’t catch it all) about tonight’s Falcons-Bengals game, and hypotheses about conversations of Vick’s problems and the legal problems of several Cincinnati Bengals players. I didn’t catch it all, and am not up on all that stuff. Can anyone provide a brief synopsis of the Bengals players legal boo-boos?? I tried to do a search and came up with this (now a few years old) article about the extremly high number of professional football players who have had legal problems <a href=“http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_10_29/ai_62804723[/url]”>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCL/is_10_29/ai_62804723</a> Geez. This is a sad scenario. Do they think they are above the law, or do they not know the difference between competition and violence?</p>
<p>Higherlead, I don’t know what’s wrong with you. Pointing out other issues in the world doesn’t change the fact that fighting dogs, in addition to torturing and drowning them, is wrong. It’s probably your same sick mindset that gave Michael Vick the feeling that he wasn’t doing anything wrong.</p>
<p>Any opines on whether Vick will turn over useful info about other players regarding illegal activity? Will this get him a break on sentencing day?</p>
<p>Good news from the Vick front, in his lunchtime interview he announced that he has found Jesus! Amazing how that always happens when you get caught. Shortly after I got to watch Dub’ya tell us all what a great guy Gonzales is. By far the most entertaining lunch I have had in a while.</p>
<p>and the salary he was paid is now available due to Vick’s suspension. Now to get that bonus money back…ahem. Bring in the suits.</p>
<p>Countingdown,
Did Vick say where Jesus was hiding all this time?</p>
<p>Money bag fell onto him and as the bag got lighter…he emerged. Into the light.</p>
<p>This is interesting…</p>
<p>From ESPN.com article just posted today…</p>
<p>"…Federal prosecutors recommended 12-18 months in prison.</p>
<h2>“A first-time offender might well receive no jail time for this offense,” U.S. Attorney Chuck Rosenberg said in a statement. “We thought, however, that the conduct in this conspiracy was heinous, cruel and inhumane” so three of the four defendants, including Vick, should receive harsher sentences."</h2>
<p>So do I understand this correctly? The judge decides his sentence which could be 0-5 years?</p>
<h1>70 - funniest thing I’ve read on this thread!</h1>
<p>You understand correctly…Judge decides.</p>
<p>** it was pretty funny wasn’t it**</p>
<p>He didn’t say, but rumor has it he was hiding in a Varsity restaurant hambuger patty. It reminds me of the school boy joke: Where are elephants found? There so big they are not often lost.</p>
<p>OK… I’m so confused - will someone please clarify? If what he did wasn’t so bad, then why did he publicly apologize to so many people (kids included) and confess that he has to work on himself as a human being?</p>
<p>He pled when he did and how he did to avoid further charges from Feds. RICO was next in line. The music stopped and the chairs were full. He entered a guilty plea today so discussing how wrong it was serves little purpose. You can once the sentence is handed down discuss the relative fairness or compare it to sentences for other crimes.</p>
<p>Apology and being contrite at this time is demanded by the court as a part of his plea.</p>
<p>Sorry hazmat - I was trying to be facetious in response some earlier posts. Guess it didn’t come across that way.</p>
<p>I got it, teriwtt.
As an aside, there seems to be a turn towards encouraging guilty parties who make a mistake to apologize. For example, this is being addressed/encouraged in some aspects of medicine. They find that if a doctor who makes a mistake apologizes to the patient or family, often this is seen as very positive, helpful, kind, what have you (rather than the dr staying silent at the behest of the attorney) and works towards resolution of the siutuation. If the person apologizes, they are seen in a better light. This is very good for Vick’s PR situation (well, how much worse could it get, really???) So, it certainly couldn’t hrt much for him to apologize, and hopefully it can help some…</p>
<p>jym626 - I read about that study a couple of weeks ago, and think it’s encouraging; am glad to see it.</p>
<p>To be honest, I’m probably naive, but I do hope that Vick was even somewhat genuine in his apology. I realize it’s all part of the damage control, but I always hope that these pre-staged public confessions have an iota of the beginnings of self-awareness. Although I have no use for the entertainment offerings of Paris, LiLo or Britney, every time they enter (or re-enter) rehab, I always hope it takes this time. People who have been to hell and back, whether it’s self imposed or not, often have the most to give back to society, if they are genuine in their atonement.</p>