The quarantine rules are probably mainly intended as a deterrent against tourist travelers who would likely head toward crowded tourist areas if they came.
If these variolators were responsible, they would self-quarantine (except for other variolators) after variolation to avoid spreading the virus to others who do not want to variolate. But it seems unlikely that every college student (or pre-frosh) variolator is self-quarantining after variolation.
@austinmshauri Source? NY Governor Andrew Cuomo… unless of course you consider him a rumor mill.
Agree with anyone pointing out that enforcement will be difficult. Maybe only smaller states like Rhode Island can do it more easily?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/us/coronavirus-rhode-island-checkpoint.html
For those of us who drive with parents to NY state often, we know they are not kidding there. What will happen? A state trooper sees an out-of-state car. Pulls you over. Asks for driver license and registration. Asks what is your business and destination, and if you are aware of the quarantine. If not, now you know. He enters your plate and driver license into his statewide system. Any cops, Manhattan or upstate, sees your car outside within 14 days, they print you a ticket for 2 grand. Claim it’s not you driving the car, dispute it and duel it out in court with witness and evidence. NY state is famous for stopping out-of-state cars and writing them tickets. Let’s not forget it’s a main source of revenue for them. Catching speeding cars is a lot more dangerous and a lot less money than this gig.
As for how MA or CT or HI works, no clue. Maybe folks there are richer, more honorable and not worried about meeting any quota or budget. Who knows. Will be messy.
Do you know of actual real cases where NY state troopers have pulled over cars on the highway? Or are you just guessing that they will do this?
As for the link to the RI article, that article was dated March 28. The plan didn’t last very long before it was stopped, I believe there were legal challenges.
Pulled over in NY state? Like two dozen times traveling with parents, family or friends in the past 10 years.
Pulled over due to COVID quarantine? Not yet because haven’t traveled there. But it’s common sense that the police forces at every level need to fill their budgets. And NY cops love ticketing non-NY cars. That’s a tradition.
RI article. Yes, it was stopped because they targeted NY state plates (maybe as a revenge is my guess). Also stopped because Cuomo led a New England, NY, NJ safety-bubble in April.
ok. So I am driving from PA through I 90 and into NY. I am not speeding I have plates from one of those states. My plan. I am going to drop off my quarantine to be college kid and then leave the same day. They can put us in the system, but 12 hours later I will be out of NY. @LimboKid this is within the parameters of “driving through NY” and if you read the rules laid out, perfectly ok. What they are looking for is anyone staying in the state. Now my college kid. they can monitor him if they want, but I figure the university will be the ones doing so. Does Cuomo really have that many police and contact tracers, and other employees that have so much time in Aug to make sure every student doesnt leave their dorm room, or even off campus apartment for 14 days. Right now they are tracing through flight manifasts and randomly calling people and asking for pictures that they are where they said they are quarantining.
Waiting for that first lawsuit. I get that NY doesnt want people from other states coming in. But can they control every single person, I doubt it.
I am ready to have my kid abide by any rules but I would hope that instead of having to show up Aug 1st to just sit in a dorm room and get food delivered, there will be a better way, with testing. Anyone positive, then has to quarantine, and that makes sense. That could be my kid for all know, even though he has been SIP for the most part (a homebody)
So all students at Cornell are doing that? What about other universities that have a large off campus contingency? They ar
Well, my H and S19 will just be driving from MA to ME and my H won’t be there for 14 days. In fact, no parents dropping a student at school is going to stay in the state for 14 days! If the other option is to get a test, I guess that’s what all parents need to do who are bringing kids to other states this fall that require a negative test or a quarantine.
@sdl0625 Pretty sure PA is not quarantined by NY.
Think PA only has beef with DE among the northern states… historically too (jkjk).
@homerdog Yeah, kinda weird that Mills and Baker are not seeing eye-to-eye. ME exempts NY, NJ and CT but not MA. Fact is CT cars have to pass thru MA to get to ME. Not making lots of sense. Some historical beef there too, maybe.
I think you’re misunderstanding what Governor Cuomo is saying about pulling cars over solely based on the state that issued their license plate. Let me clarify.
@austinmshauri hope you are right.
From CNN (about a half hour ago):
People traveling from hotspots to New York by plane must give local officials contact information
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he will soon issue an emergency health order that mandates that people traveling from high-risk states must give their contact information to local officials so the state can enforce the mandatory two-week quarantine.
People traveling to New York state by plane will get a contact form to fill out. If they leave the airport without turning it back in, they will receive a summons and a $2,000 fine. Those travelers may also be brought to a hearing and be forced to quarantine.
New York currently requires anyone traveling from a state with a high infection rate to quarantine for at least two weeks once they enter the state. Cuomo said there have been incidents of travelers coming to the state and not complying with the quarantine, causing outbreaks in communities.
Cuomo added that there are two threats to the state’s success in battling coronavirus — people who do not comply with social distancing and other safety measures and outbreaks across the country, that could travel back to New York.
The governor said that because of these two new threats, state officials are adding two new factors to the list of considerations for reopening.
The state previously used three “gauges” on the “reopening valve”: Diagnostic testing rate, antibody testing and hospitalization rates.
Cuomo said today that along with those three factors, the state will now also consider the effects of non-compliance and the effect of the national outbreak outside of New York.
Yeah, Maine has a love/hate relationship with Massachusetts. We love their tourism business but hate the obnoxiousness a lot of them display. It’s common practice for Mainers to glance at the license plate of a car that cuts them off. “Yep, Massachusetts!” Is usually the observation.
So how does a parent bring their student to college in NY from those states? They have to pay for a hotel for two weeks and get there two weeks early? This is a problem.
Things change on a dime these days. The same states may not be on those lists, policies can change for the better or worse. You may not be driving your kid to college—kid may not be going on site to college if there is a surge in Covid cases.
Each college will have to work out the rules for all of this. It can become ridiculous. I know a lot of folks living on the De/PA line, the DE/MD line and, yes there have been instances of police looking for OOS plated. Folks who shipped in DE were ousted from Parking lots, and blockades were put up at some points. IMO, ridiculous. Now DE is on the nasty list for some states.
Yup, it’s a mess. And no, you can’t check into a hotel in NY if you come from one of the hotspot states. They are saying you have to quarantine BEFORE check in. So you would have to somehow send your kid alone with all their stuff for them to somehow get to campus and quarantine for 14 days. Not very realistic, especially for freshmen.
And your state could be added to the list at any point. Staying home and doing all online is sounding better every day.
Can you please provide actual proof of this? I live in MD, was just in DE for the day a week ago. I have heard absolutely nothing of this and I’m sure the local news media would be reporting it if this were true. MD certainly isn’t doing this.
Effectively, that means that the only people who can enter NY from those places are:
A. Returning residents who can quarantine in their homes.
B. People visiting relatives who can quarantine in their relatives’ homes.
C. Homeless people who can find places away from other people (including other homeless people) to stay during the quarantine.
D. Other visitors who can find places to quarantine that are not hotels or otherwise prohibited.
I called a NY hotel in the Hudson Valley area a few days ago and told them my DL and car plates were from a very high “no no” state. They told me they are not the police and it is fine. This was a mid tier hotel. I do have proof I have been in safe New England states if asked.