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<p>Sure, it there a wonderful things about Frats, but this is something to ponder…the differences between the two, well…the similarities are interesting…explains alot, actually</p>
<p>The physcology of both groups is what I find fascinating, examples here are extreems, sure, i know that, but that whole group think aspect, the bonding, the having someones back, the protections, the contacts, the young man’s need to belong</p>
<p>After I attended a rather extensive gang seminar I came away seeing gangs everywhere. I decided even the Yankees are sort of a gang. They’ve got the “uniform,” the colors, the hand signals, the tags, the hierarchy…I even saw them hazing on TV (dressing the rookies in silly costumes). </p>
<p>Not to make light of a serious situation - we have a HUGE gang problem in my city - but really the social forces are just so clear, aren’t they? I blame it mostly on the nearly complete absence of fathers in the lower socio-economic classes. And yes, I know there is gang activity in the 'burbs too, but really, it’s nothing compared to the hood.</p>
<p>it is interesting what draws people to be part of something like a gang or a frat- the needs are so similar</p>
<p>Ummm, Pi Phi is short for Pi Beta Phi, a sorority. I don’t think there’s a national fraternity that goes by “Pi Phi”.</p>
<p>Pi Kappa Phi, a men’s fraternity, goes by Pi Phi at my kid’s school. This does lead to confusion with the “real” Pi Phis (ie the women’s fraternity).</p>
<p>This article that was quoted in full (a TOS violation BTW) was written over 3 years ago. The Pi Kappa Phi chapter at USC was closed in Feb, 2006.</p>
<p>omg, punish me for posting an article…shame on me</p>
<p>and it is NOT about the particular frat or gang, but the PHYCOLOGY behind these kinds of groups that is interesting</p>
<p>but lets ignore that part of the article and shot the messenger, why don’t you</p>
<p>“We view “Frat men” as educated individuals that will one day be our future businessmen and leaders.”</p>
<p>College men, maybe, but not Frat men. No offense to people in fraternities, but I think that’s a pretty broad statement. There are a LOT of people out there (and here on CC) who aren’t fond of fraternities. </p>
<p>I agree there are definitely some similarities, but I think the author (not the messenger, CGM!) is off base in calling the similarities “overwhelming.” This compiled list of frat deaths and incidences pales in comparison to the organized drug trafficking and murders that gangs commit every day all over the country.</p>
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<p>Sounds like the elements of an ideal family.</p>
<p>Humans are social animals – most of us belong to groups of some kind. Think of mom’s groups, business associations, golf clubs etc. The need to belong to a group is not restricted to the males of the species. There are girl gangs, too, you know. </p>
<p>This kind of article is interesting in comparing the common traits of different groups, but is hardly meaningful in any real sense. I really don’t see my son, a member of a fraternity at a selective college, as a gang member in some other reality. I do see the need for people to connect with others who may share their values and interests.</p>
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<p>Weenie has it completely right. </p>
<p>If the author’s unusual logic were adopted as fact, you could argue that most police departments are gangs and just about every Japaneses corporation is a gang. </p>
<p>It’s like arguing that because the DNA between monkeys and humans is very similar, humans are not much different from monkeys. Obviously, little details make all the difference in the world.</p>
<p>Unless we are misogynists here, shouldn’t we be including sororities in the discussion too?</p>
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<p>Hmm, that’s not the stereotype that I hear of fraternity men.</p>
<p>As sjmom said, humans are social, and I always get annoyed when I hear people criticizing others for the simple fact of joining a group (which is not the same as criticizing the group itself), as in, “It’s common opinion among outside observers that people interested in joining these groups are just weak and gullible.” I’ve known very few, if any, people who weren’t autistic, who didn’t seek group identities in addition to their individual one.</p>
<p>“The testimonies given by our two representatives (gang member and the frat guy) show two people who each had low self-identity and who desired to be a part of something he felt was greater than himself.”</p>
<p>I don’t know any gang members, but from my personal experience, this statement in the article does not reflect most of the membership in fraternities or sororities.</p>
<p>A thinly veiled attempt to stir up just one more “I hate fraternities and anything Greek” threads ;)</p>
<p>IMO- This is insulting, anti-greek propaganda. Yes, there are some similarities - but I can compare nuns and gangs and find similarities too. Give me a break.</p>
<p>“A thinly veiled attempt to stir up just one more “I hate fraternities and anything Greek” threa”</p>
<p>absolutely spot on. Now I am just waiting for it to get twisted into “if it were your daughter or wife they threw beer on.”" then to " so you’re saying you’d defend your wife and daughter, but it’s OK for anyone else to get beer thrown at?" Then I will feel the poster’s discust for not “seeing” the world the way she does…</p>
<p>“but lets ignore that part of the article and shot the messenger, why don’t you”…</p>
<p>mainly cause the messenger spins the information to extremes to attempt to “win” unwinable debates…</p>
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<p>Ooh, let’s do that, that sounds like fun ;)</p>
<p>Oh wait, I might stir up people who might think I’m anti-Catholic </p>
<p>Opie, you better watch your back - me thinks beer cans are headed your way.</p>
<p>Beer? It’s past noon in NJ. Not too early for a beer. Sorry ag54 & Opie!</p>
<p>Ag - the similarities are quite striking…</p>
<p>A woman or a girl entering a convent first passes through a testing period, which lasts from 6 to 12 months. After this it is possible to become a novice.
An Orthodox nun can through her life pass through 4 levels. Each level involve certain regulations and a special robe. Demands on the nun increases the higher she rises. She begins as a novice, and it takes up to 5 years before she can pass through the service making her a nun.
A monastery or convent is headed by the abbess, the prioress or the Mother Superior, all have absolute power within the confines of the monastery.
A term close to “nun” is “religious sister”, and there is a difference between the two. Regulations for a nun are stricter than that for a sister. Nuns have restrictions on leaving the monastery, and cannot freely communicate with visitors to the convent. Also, visitors are not allowed into the monastery to freely associate with nuns. Both sisters and nuns can be addressed as “Sister”.</p>