International Student Admission Odds

[BLY]

<p>Let’s begin with my favorite of all time, UChicago. Read this statement quoted from Chicago’s admission website first (<a href=“http://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/level2.asp?id=38):%5B/url%5D”>http://collegeadmissions.uchicago.edu/level2.asp?id=38):</a></p>

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International applicants account for nearly 13 percent of Chicago’s undergraduate applicant pool. The University seeks academically talented, intellectually ambitious applicants from around the globe who possess awareness of and curiosity about the world around them. This past year, Chicago received 1,127 international applications, out of which 236 were admitted to join the community of scholars in the liberal arts college at on of America’s premier research universities.

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<p>OK… So the acceptance rate for the poor internationals is about 21%, which is significantly lower than the total acceptance rate (38%). This is last year’s statistics.</p>

<p>Now let’s go to MIT in 2000, because I can only find numbers regarding international students for this year. But before I do any analysis, please bear in mind that competition for this kind of school only gets progressively severe every year.</p>

<p>Now read this (<a href=“http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N2/1admissions.2n.html):%5B/url%5D”>http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N2/1admissions.2n.html):</a>

The pool of applicants this year consists of 10,641 high school students… This year, the admissions office received over 2,000 applications from non-U.S. residents, which is up from 1625 applications last year. Therefore, international applicants comprise a somewhat larger proportion of the application pool this year (19 percent versus 17 percent in 1999 and 16 percent in 1998)… This does not, however, mean that more international students will be accepted, as MIT tries to keep the international enrollment close to eight percent. This will require accepting a significantly smaller proportion of international students, as the matriculation rate for international students is somewhat higher than for domestic students…

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<p>So there were about 10641*.19 = 2,022 international applicants in the year of 2000 for MIT.</p>

<p>Then read this (<a href=“http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N16/2004.16n.html):%5B/url%5D”>http://www-tech.mit.edu/V120/N16/2004.16n.html):</a></p>

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This year’s applicant pool of 10,681 applicants was also the largest ever, an increase of 17 percent over last year’s pool…only 1,604 students were admitted to the class of 2004… The admitted class includes 105 international students.

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<p>Time for some easy math:
General acceptance rate: 15%
Domestic acceptance rate: 17.3%
IS acceptance rate: 105/2022 = 5.2%
…which is one-third of the general acceptance rate.</p>

<p>Now let’s take a look at Duke class of 2010</p>

<p>Again, read this (<a href=“http://dukenews.duke.edu/2006/03/admissions.html):%5B/url%5D”>http://dukenews.duke.edu/2006/03/admissions.html):</a></p>

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The number of international applicants has risen steadily during the past few years, Guttentag added, noting that Duke had 2,029 this year, representing a 185 percent increase in the number of international applicants in the last five years.

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<p>Since it is last year’s class, it is a lot easier to check the class enrollment profile. Just go here <a href=“http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/applying/who_2010profile.asp[/url]”>http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/applying/who_2010profile.asp&lt;/a&gt;
And we know that among those 3,161 who were accepted, 8% of them are international. That would about 253 students.</p>

<p>General acceptance rate: 19.8%
Domestic students acceptance rate: 20.8%
International acceptance rate: 12.5%
That’s not that ridiculous…</p>

<p>Conclusion: admission to elite university for international students is A LOT tougher. I’m sorry. </p>

<p>Any thoughts?</p>

[slimshady]

<p>hey BLY ! nice post. thanks a lot for the valuable infos. do you have any info regarding the all-time favs of stanford, hyp and brown?</p>

[k_twin]

<p>Much of what you’ve said is already known, nice to see the statistics behind it though.</p>

[NoFX]

<p>At U North carolina chapel hill, the admission rate for intels is 10%.
500 intels apply for the freshman class and only 50 get accepted.
Even though UNC is not as elite as HYP, there should be a general concensus that a lot of colleges in the US are very tough for intels to get into.</p>

[BLY]

<p>But behind these statistics, I wonder… are the international students getting reject because of financial issue or merit incapability? Or it’s just too much people applying? Or is it an effort of the college to “mold the class”?</p>

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do you have any info regarding the all-time favs of stanford, hyp and brown?

I don’t have any. But I can look it up if I really want to. So can you then. You don’t wanna know how hard it was to look up the admission info of MIT for the class of 2000.</p>

[Abhi08544]

<p>All univ(less Harvard) have a quota for int’l.</p>

[rimzer]

<p>I got accepted at Cornell ED at College of Engineering today.
My SAT’s were 2030. I had good SAT 2’s, 4.0 GPA and 5/ 102 class rank. pretty good ECs. But still not at all at par with the other applicants from what I saw here at CC.I did not apply for FA though. Couldn’t -not applicable for Int’ls applying ED.
Moral of the story- Applying for financial aid plays a big part, in my opinion.</p>

[rimzer]

<p>But hey I’m not complaining!!!
Thank Gooooood! Cornel was my first choice for as long as I can remeber.
Just my two cents.</p>

[BLY]

<p>CONGRATULATIONS!!</p>

<p>As long as you don’t mind paying through. Damn, I wish I could do that.
What country are you from, rimzer?</p>

[letmepass]

<p>at most colleges, applying for financial aid cuts your chance by half, if not more. exceptions will be hyp and some liberal arts colleges.</p>

[b_r_um]

<p>Peterson’s lists the numbers of international students applied, accepted and enrolled for a lot of colleges, if you care about statistics.</p>

[rimzer]

<p>I’m from Pakistan, living in Saudi Arabia.</p>

[int.student]

<p>I know, it’s harder. ugh. </p>

<p>well no prob, all I have to do is maintain a 4.0 GPA , pay for all tuition myself, cure cancer/AIDS and raise 7 children on 3 $ a day in the process. (irony)</p>

<p>btw. could anyone tell me what “HYP” is?</p>

[b_r_um]

<p>Harvard Princeton Yale</p>

[lala56]

<p>ok, great, but how about the international students who need $$?
chicago accepted 16 int. students who needed aid out of the 1217 internationals who applied (of course, not all those internationals needed $$)
so, if u need $$, in many schools like duke (where only 25 internationals students who needed $$ were accepted) and Uchicago, northwestern, maybe even jhu, u dont stand a great chance, good luck anyway, ill need it</p>

[youknowme]

<p>When you say need aid, do you mean need full tuition?</p>

[lala56]

<p>no, just financial aid in general
for example, Uchicao admitted 16 int. students out of 1217, and the financial aid for those 16 applicants ranged from $9000 to full tuition, but most colleges dont see how much u need, if ur int. and u need $$, then ur usually in a seperate category for admissions</p>

[NoFX]

<p>^ I dont think so. I doubt Duke would give full rides to 25 students…
Most schools give full aid (full tuition) to like 0-3 students - excluding needblind schools…</p>

[lala56]

<p>nah man, that besides the point, im just saying that if ur int. and the college is not need blind even for u, then ur chances of getting in r low</p>

<p>and no, duke did not give a full ride to 25 students, all i said was that out of all int. students who needed aid who applie, only 25 got in</p>

<p>caphiche?</p>

[NoFX]

<p>Oh sorry I wasnt referring to your post. I was replying to youknowme’s post :)</p>