IQ test?

Applying to College
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<p>Do any colleges/universities in the world accept/deny on the basis of a score on an IQ test, solely or included?</p>

<p>Edit: Oh, and also the same question for jobs.</p>

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<p>Highly doubt it. A high IQ is meaningless unless the person has the work ethic to back it up.</p>

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<p>Agreed. An IQ test is worthless in the world of college and employment.</p>

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<p>No.</p>

<p>The only I.Q tests acceptable by intellectual standards are administered by psychologists. </p>

<p>MENSA, Tickle, etc…won’t turn heads.</p>

<p>Well, even your real I.Q won’t turn heads. XD</p>

<p>College has NOTHING to do with intelligence and everything to do with commitment.</p>

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<p>In the United States there has been a Supreme Court decision, Griggs v. Duke Power (1971) </p>

<p>[Griggs</a> v. Duke Power Co. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Company]Griggs”>Griggs v. Duke Power Co. - Wikipedia) </p>

<p>that has enormously reduced the role of IQ tests and other standardized tests in hiring for most jobs. </p>

<p>For college admission, what matters at the most selective colleges is what you have done with your IQ. The standardized admission tests (e.g., the SAT or the ACT) actually operate much like IQ tests in how they sort test-takers into a rank order, but they are never the sole element in an admission decision at the most selective colleges. </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/377882-how-do-top-scorers-tests-fail-gain-admission-top-schools.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/377882-how-do-top-scorers-tests-fail-gain-admission-top-schools.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>The SAT is far from an I.Q test.</p>

<p>It revolves around conquered knowledge and memorization. It’s dependent on LEARNING, and not inherent intelligence. </p>

<p>Math and English scores are not defining characters for pure intelligence.</p>

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<p>[Books</a> on IQ Tests and Human Intelligence (Learn in Freedom)](<a href=“http://learninfreedom.org/iqbooks.html]Books”>Books on IQ Tests and Human Intelligence (Learn in Freedom))</p>

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<p>What does that prove?</p>

<p>Are you actually saying the SAT is a proper calculation of I.Q???</p>

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<p>There are some high school programs with an IQ requirement – there is one locally. The colleges know this about the program so they know that any applicant from this program is quite intelligent, but you have to do well just like anywhere else to be a strong applicant. I don’t think it’s much of a factor although admission officers are human and once you know something, you can’t unknow it.</p>

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<p>Yes, there are some gifted programs which have a minimum IQ requirement for admissions. Simply being in the gifted program won’t get you anywhere though as an applicant; it’s what you do with your “gifted-ness” that will catch the attention of the admissions officers/employers. </p>

<p>Being in the gifted program can help in the sense of access to better resources, smaller class sizes, etc., just like being in any advanced program (ie AP, IB) would help. You can’t just coast through the gifted program though and expect it to open doors.</p>

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<p>I SO WISH IQ WAS TAKEN INTO PLAY!!! </p>

<p>It would test our logical ability to think. It WOULD seperate the common sense thinkers from the ppl that have to study extra long to get information down.</p>

<p>I actually can bet money there will be an IQ-like test later as schools in England actually have test requirements with IQ- based logic sections.</p>

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<p>If you go to AssessmentPsychology.com, and click on IQ, there is a chart that correlates IQ and SAT scores. I don’t know how valid this is, of course. </p>

<p>And I can see that, for students who study excessively for the SAT, this relationship of IQ to SAT may be faulty. However, for students who don’t study for the SAT, well, mine scored in the 99th and 93rd percentiles, which is roughly what an IQ that is 2 standard deviations above the mean would be, isn’t it? The SAT is not a calculation of IQ, but in the case of my D, her overall IQ and SAT scores were both about 2 standard deviations above the mean. Is this helpful?</p>

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<p>For people who seem very confident in their intellectual capacity clearly have no idea what an I.Q actually is.</p>

<p>The SAT identities ACCUMULATED knowledge. It has absolutely no relation with an I.Q test. Scoring a 2400 does not mean you have a high I.Q, and having a high I.Q does not mean you’ll score a 2400.</p>

<p>I have yet to understand this mass-fantasizing with IQs. A person who feels it is necessary to boast and brag obviously isn’t that intelligent; that or he/she is a 100% (highest <em>gasp</em> percentile) solid a-hole. </p>

<p>Yes, I said it. Sue me.</p>

<p>The concept of IQ is beyond flawed, and even its founder has stated so.</p>

<p>Someone, somewhere, assigned x quality as the defining property of intelligence. People with self-proclaimed bloated IQs surely could appreciate such a simple concept like that.</p>

<p>My true love and source:</p>

<p>[Intelligence</a> quotient - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“Intelligence quotient - Wikipedia”>Intelligence quotient - Wikipedia)</p>

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<p>Likewise I’m sure. </p>

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<p>It helps to read carefully.</p>

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<p>Thanks for the very meaty response! XD</p>

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<p>Nice.

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<p>So what? Someone, somewhere, assigned these attributes as the defining properties of intelligence. You ask ANY psychologist and they will tell you how flawed and outdated the I.Q system is.</p>

<p>I have no idea how people can champion something so unrefined. It’s the sundial of calculations…nothing else. </p>

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<p>The statement I was disagreeing with was </p>

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<p>Both IQ tests and SATs reflect a test-taker’s knowledge (in part) and some other attributes of the test-taker (in part). They actually correlate reasonably well with each other in how they sort test-takers into a rank order. </p>

<p>If your statement is that it’s best not to call an IQ test score a “measure” of “intelligence,” I agree with that. Here’s what the late Julian Stanley said about the issue: </p>

<p>“Most authorities feel that current intelligence tests are more aptly described as ‘scholastic aptitude’ tests because they are so highly related to academic performance, although current use suggests that the term intelligence test is going to be with us for some time. This reservation is based not on the opinion that intelligence tests do not reflect intelligence but on the belief that there are other kinds of intelligence that are not reflected in current tests; the term intelligence is too inclusive.” </p>

<p>Hopkins, Kenneth D. & Stanley, Julian C. (1981). Educational and Psychological Measurement and Evaluation. Englewood Cliffs, NJ: Prentice Hall. (emphasis in original) </p>

<p>That’s why Stanley treated SAT scores as closely comparable to IQ scores for the [Study</a> of Mathematically Precocious Youth](<a href=“http://www.vanderbilt.edu/Peabody/SMPY/]Study”>http://www.vanderbilt.edu/Peabody/SMPY/), which still continues.</p>

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<p>Well you could have just said that.

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<p>Ask any academic and they will tell you the SAT is not an I.Q test. The IQ tests for intellectual capacity, and the scores are consistent no matter your age.</p>

<p>Success in the SAT is an ACQUIRED SKILL. You take someone with a high IQ who’s never been to school, and they’ll most surely fail. </p>

<p>I see why people are trying to further validate their intelligence with whatever bloated SAT score they got, but it’s just false. </p>

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<p>So what? </p>

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<p>But that’s why the IQ test is flawed. My debate revolves how the IQ test is not an accurate measure of ones TRUE intelligence. It’s similarities with the SAT has made some people think that high test scores = high intelligence, which is absolutely not TRUE. </p>

<p>Math = intelligence
English = intelligence
Basketball = intelligence</p>

<p>That’s all I’m saying.</p>

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<p>No, actually, there are published scientific journal articles, in the journal Intelligence and elsewhere, that say otherwise. </p>

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<p>The source you cited denies that. Read again.</p>

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<p>I’m not debating that. The SAT is not an IQ test in the sense that the IQ test is not an accurate measure of intelligence.</p>

<p>Simplified:</p>

<p>A) IQ test = fail
B) SAT = fail
C) IQ test + SAT = fail</p>

<p>The IQ test is not a proper measure of intelligence, and therefore any slight relation it has with the SAT is irrelevant.</p>

<p>Also, I’m pretty the majority people understand the SAT is a SKILLED test. Intelligence is not a prerequisite.</p>

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<p>Back to the original question. No.</p>