Is Dartmouth is a sub-standard school?

[spencer11111]

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@Lakshya M

Stop this thread already.

Actually this argument has been quite fruitful. We exchanged some points about the debate and I think everyone are more informed now than they were before.</p>

[Big_Brother_1984]

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I am getting my source from official sources, and you are getting yours from stories you hear from strangers on the internet. You talked about reputation, and you didn’t give really strong argument to show that Dartmouth has a better reputation than Cornell.

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<p>Hey, nobody disputes that the THES and Jiaotong are official sources. That’s not the point here. The question is, are they credible? </p>

<p>But since you’re beating around the bush with my UT Austin vs. SNU/Dartmouth question, I’m going to assume that you yourself, don’t believe that those rankings are credible. Hey spencer, it’s ok if you’re wrong about the rankings being the be-all end-all type arbitrator. But hey, if you’re such a big fan of the THES, then you’re going to have to answer for all of the dubious rankings on there.</p>

<p>So is UT Austin unequivocally better than Dartmouth?</p>

<p>Also, are you saying that slipper isn’t qualified to comment on Dartmouth? That sakky isn’t qualified to comment on Berkeley? Hey spencer, they pitted into the discussion - it’s not like I referred to them accidentally you know.</p>

<p>But hey, since you’re such a big fan of rankings, check out the USNWR rankings. Dartmouth is higher on the list than Cornell. Does that satisfy you?</p>

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At least I attempt to deliver it via Google Treads, which is really the closest thing because there is not going to be a newspaper article writing that Dartmouth has a better reputation than ______ College.

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<p>You sound just like my dad, who gets all of his information from anecdotal, biased newspapers. Let’s put it this way, he isn’t the most worldly, cognizant person in the world. You need to get your information from inside sources, like slipper, or College Confidential. That’s how you make a fair comparison. And quite frankly, a lot of posters here are giving you their answers. You just don’t like them.</p>

<p>But hey, if you want to be ignorant and take Google hits and newspaper articles as the law, then I’m not stopping you. It’s not my job to do so.</p>

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I am not even comparing Cornell to UTAustin. I believe Cornell is a very good university. UTAustin and Dartmouth are fine colleges. Don’t try to use Cornell to buttress your argument. Dartmouth no where near Cornell.

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<p>Oh really? This is a far cry from what you’ve previously stated:</p>

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Be honest here, it is more rational to equate Dartmouth to Cornell.

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<p>So which one is it spencer? We can equate Dartmouth to Cornell, or Dartmouth is nowhere near the level of Cornell?</p>

<p>Owned.</p>

[Big_Brother_1984]

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lol, spencer is apparently from Raffles Junior College, judging by the way he talks and thinks so highly of himself.

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<p>I have a couple of friends from RJC. They’re pretty down-to-Earth people. spencer is just biased, that’s all. He made a ludicrous statement, and he’s dug himself into such a big hole that he has to defend himself now. I still don’t even understand why he’s debating when really, he should’ve just admitted that he was wrong a long time ago.</p>

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I find spencer11111’s posts very insightful.

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<p>Hear ye guys. joshua007 is your ■■■■■. This quote above comes from a guy who thinks that sakky is “full of crap.” Tell me joshua, how do you find spencer’s posts insightful, but sakky’s is “full of crap?” Is it because you’re cognitively biased as well?</p>

<p>joshua007 = ■■■■■ = writes one-sentence/one-paragraph responses to elicit something big.</p>

[spencer11111]

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@Big Brother 1984

You’re missing my point. SNU is very much highly coveted in South Korea. Admissions is obviously, extremely competitive. I had a roommate last year from South Korea and he could relate to the SNU-mania among Korean high school students. It’s honestly a lot like Japanese kids wanting to get into Todai. SNU being ranked 63 is very very dubious to me.

That’s where your argument falls apart. The grads of the top university in a industralised country are going to be very sought after by employers of *that *country. By your own logic, the top universities in Germany, Italy and other industralised country should be up there as well. But please note of a significant difference between SNU and Oxbridge. A degree at SNU would only serve you well in the job market at South Korea. A degree from Cambridge is going to serve you well pretty much everywhere. That’s the difference. SNU only has a high market value in South Korea, not in the world. Oxbridge opens up opportunities around the world. Todai, unlike SNU, is very coveted in Asia, especially North-East Asia. It helps you open doors in Shanghai, Beijing, Taipei etc etc and not just Japan. If you like SNU, I am afraid that it is not anywhere as good as Fudan, the top university in Shanghai, the financial hub of China. There are definitely much more opportunities for a Fudan grad than a SNU grad. Everyone knows China is booming nowadays and what is better than to be right at Shanghai, the centre of all the action, and have all the connections/networking necessary to succeed? NUS is also ranked highly in the THES exactly because a degree from NUS is going to serve you pretty well in the whole of South-east asia as well as China. I know of NUS grads that are working in big firms in Hong Kong now, and some are working in Shanghai

@Big Brother 1984

So, is UT Austin unequivocally, the better school? Stop equivocating. Answer the question.

So, is Cambridge, unequivocally, a better school than Oxford? Stop equivocating. Answer the question.</p>

[spencer11111]

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@Big Brother 1984

It seems like you’ve already made your mind about Dartmouth. Listen, it’s fine if you’re coming on here to ask an honest question to get our facts on the matter. But that’s not what you’re doing. You came on here, with your mind already made up, and are trying to get people to write the responses that you like to hear.

Sorry, you are getting too personal here. After debating with you I realise that one good point about Dartmouth is its reputation in the US and successful Wall Street placements.</p>

[psmyth000]

<p>Big Brother 1984,</p>

<p>You have a few interesting points but I disagree with something you poster above.</p>

<p>You disagree with job SNU being lower in the rankings than UofT due to job security post-graduation. However, I don’t believe job security should be the yard stick of university quality. There are many different factors which come together to make a universiyt great and job security is only one of them.</p>

[Big_Brother_1984]

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So, is Cambridge, unequivocally, a better school than Oxford? Stop equivocating. Answer the question.

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<p>Yeah, Cambridge is better than Oxford.</p>

<p>Oh, didn’t expect that did you?</p>

<p>Hey, I have a couple of British friends going to Oxbridge, and they all said Cambridge > Oxford. If you’re going to go by the rankings, then you have to go by them solidly. And believe me spencer, I never beat around the bush.</p>

<p>But this shouldn’t even be a hard question. It’s way easier than asking about Cambridge vs. Oxford. Even then, I’ve already answered that. What’s fair is fair. When you invoked the rankings, you restricted yourself to a perceived hierarchy that you must answer to.</p>

<p>So answer the question already. Is UT Austin unequivocally better than Dartmouth?</p>

[spencer11111]

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@Big Brother 1984

So which one is it spencer? We can equate Dartmouth to Cornell, or Dartmouth is nowhere near the level of Cornell?</p>

<p>Owned.

Rubbish! Don’t try to mislead the audience by just extracting bits and pieces of my words and make them sound contradictory!

1. Dartmouth is nowhere near Cornell.
2. The other time you tried to equate Dartmouth to Harvard, which is completely bullshlt. I mentioned that you are better off equating Dartmouth to Cornell, not that they are equal. I used Cornell instead of UTAustin because the discussion was about Ivies! and UTAustin is not an Ivy.</p>

[Big_Brother_1984]

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You disagree with job SNU being lower in the rankings than UofT due to job security post-graduation. However, I don’t believe job security should be the yard stick of university quality. There are many different factors which come together to make a universiyt great and job security is only one of them.

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<p>Thanks for the input. But I have to disagree with you. I’ve actually had this discussion before with spencer on another thread. I don’t care how good a university education is if it can’t provide me with great opportunities after graduation. And believe me, most people don’t either.</p>

[Big_Brother_1984]

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I mentioned that you are better off equating Dartmouth to Cornell, not that they are equal.

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<p>Uh, isn’t equating Dartmouth to Cornell the same thing as saying they’re equal?</p>

<p>Hey, those were your words, not mine.</p>

<p>Once again, owned.</p>

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1. Dartmouth is nowhere near Cornell.

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<p>Really? Nowhere near?</p>

<p>Ok…I just want you to admit that you lost so we can end this discussion.</p>

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2. The other time you tried to equate Dartmouth to Harvard, which is completely bullshlt.

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<p>Oh I never “equated” Dartmouth to Harvard. Find me proof that I did. Oh, can’t do it can you? That’s because I never made such claims.</p>

[spencer11111]

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@Big Brother 1984

Hey, nobody disputes that the THES and Jiaotong are official sources. That’s not the point here. The question is, are they credible?</p>

<p>But since you’re beating around the bush with my UT Austin vs. SNU/Dartmouth question, I’m going to assume that you yourself, don’t believe that those rankings are credible. Hey spencer, it’s ok if you’re wrong about the rankings being the be-all end-all type arbitrator. But hey, if you’re such a big fan of the THES, then you’re going to have to answer for all of the dubious rankings on there.</p>

<p>So is UT Austin unequivocally better than Dartmouth?</p>

<p>Also, are you saying that slipper isn’t qualified to comment on Dartmouth? That sakky isn’t qualified to comment on Berkeley? Hey spencer, they pitted into the discussion - it’s not like I referred to them accidentally you know.

So are you going to cite some strangers on the internet for your paper? That is what you call proper citation?

@Big Brother 1984

You need to get your information from inside sources, like slipper, or College Confidential.

College Confidential is a source of professional advice? </p>

<p>Amen.</p>

[spencer11111]

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@Big Brother 1984

I know several from Boston who preferred Dartmouth over Harvard.

I am afraid that’s even worst. You actually put Dartmouth on top of Harvard! Jesus! :D</p>

<p>And remember how you placed Dartmouth on top of Oxbridge at the other thread. Jesus! :D</p>

[Big_Brother_1984]

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So are you going to cite some strangers on the internet for your paper? That is what you call proper citation?

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<p>Reread my post again. If you you still don’t get the point, reread it again. Repeat until you get the point.</p>

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College Confidential is a source of professional advice?

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<p>Once again, those are YOUR words, not mine. I said CC was an inside source; a lot of people get inside knowledge on college admissions here that they could’ve have gotten elsewhere. I NEVER said CC was a professional source.</p>

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Amen.

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<p>Indeed. Amen to you.</p>

[spencer11111]

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@Big Brother 1984

That isn’t the case though. UChicago Math may be top notch, but MIT and Harvard aren’t a walk in the park either, you know. Even though UChicago Math is top notch, we can all agree that the general student body population at Chicago is weaker than the ones at Harvard and MIT. Along with general prestige, Harvard and MIT are just better indicators of high market value.</p>

<p>Because let’s face it, if you’re an employer looking for top-notch employees, you’d like minimize your search costs, but still get good workers. So if you’re McKinsey or Goldman Sachs, where would you go to get the best people who will take your job offers? At the Ivies or other top-tier schools. The fact stands that although UChicago has some great programs, it doesn’t have as strong of a market value as say - most Ivy Leagues. It’s called name branding.</p>

<p>But can you see how this would affect those MIT/Harvard math majors? Although their curriculum may not be as rigorous, those math majors can just ride under the MIT/Harvard brand name. Would you say that Coca Cola is “over-valued” compared to some no-name brand? But people would purchase Coca Cola anyways huh?

You actually attempted to use the Harvard/MIT brand to push through your argument, remember? </p>

<p>And my response was

@spencer11111

Yes Harvard and MIT have great brand-names, no disputes of that. In THES, Harvard and MIT are #1 and #4 respectively. But how about Dartmouth?

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[Big_Brother_1984]

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Originally Posted by Big Brother 1984
I know several from Boston who preferred Dartmouth over Harvard.
I am afraid that’s even worst. You actually put Dartmouth on top of Harvard! Jesus!

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<p>How does saying that some people prefer Dartmouth over Harvard mean that I actually placed Dartmouth above Harvard?</p>

<p>Answer that.</p>

<p>And you still haven’t answered my question about UT Austin vs. Dartmouth. Does that mean you agree with me?</p>

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And remember how you placed Dartmouth on top of Oxbridge at the other thread. Jesus!

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<p>Nope. Those are YOUR words, not mine. I never placed Dartmouth above Oxbridge.</p>

<p>Hey spencer, where are you getting all these ideas about stuff I said? Maybe you should learn to read.</p>

[ammarsfound]

<p>I don’t care how good a university education is if it can’t provide me with great opportunities after graduation. And believe me, most people don’t either.</p>

<p>I disagree, or maybe not, based on what your interpretation of ‘great opportunities’ is. If you mean only jobs/grad school placement, then you’re probably wrong. Its only the first year of your job that it matters which college you came from or how you managed to get the job. After that promotions and raises are based on performance, which is a product of the sort of education you received in college. The same thing applies to grad school: how well you do depends on how well you were trained to do.</p>

[Big_Brother_1984]

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You actually attempted to use the Harvard/MIT brand to push through your argument, remember?</p>

<p>And my response was
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Originally Posted by spencer11111
Yes Harvard and MIT have great brand-names, no disputes of that. In THES, Harvard and MIT are #1 and #4 respectively. But how about Dartmouth?

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<p>Oh you want my response now? I thought you already picked it up in a previous post.</p>

<p>Dartmouth has a great name. Period.</p>

<p>But seriously spencer, how does using the MIT/Harvard example weaken my position?</p>

[spencer11111]

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@Big Brother 1984

Hear ye guys. joshua007 is your ■■■■■. This quote above comes from a guy who thinks that sakky is “full of crap.” Tell me joshua, how do you find spencer’s posts insightful, but sakky’s is “full of crap?” Is it because you’re cognitively biased as well?</p>

<p>joshua007 = ■■■■■ = writes one-sentence/one-paragraph responses to elicit something big.

I have cited many official sources, while you have been getting on your impulses and feel that you “owned” me. Ridiculous! I still haven’t got one official source, except the US News ranking which is actually part of the topic being debated, from you.</p>

<p>FYI, Joshua007 went to a top 2 university in the UK and a top 3 university in the US. He has viewed two sides of the mirror and is probably more neutral than you.</p>

[Big_Brother_1984]

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I have cited many official sources, while you have been getting on your impulses and feel that you “owned” me. Ridiculous! I still haven’t got one official source, except the US News ranking which is actually part of the topic being debated, from you.

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<p>What about sakky? Or slipper? Or all those other posters telling you off?</p>

<p>spencer, just give it up. You can’t win.</p>

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FYI, Joshua007 went to a top 2 university in the UK and a top 3 university in the US. He has viewed two sides of the mirror and is probably more neutral than you.

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<p>I highly doubt that ■■■■■ went to any university. joshua had huge trouble comprehending sakky’s posts - a Berkeley grad.</p>

<p>But hey, I can see why you’re so distressed about losing your sole supporter. Hey, I would be too if I made such idiotic posts.</p>

[spencer11111]

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@psmyth000

You disagree with job SNU being lower in the rankings than UofT due to job security post-graduation. However, I don’t believe job security should be the yard stick of university quality. There are many different factors which come together to make a universiyt great and job security is only one of them.

Precisely. Good teaching, exceptional classmates, top-notch faculties, research opportunities as an undergrad, personal growth, good reputation… all these are frankly equally important in college selection.</p>

<p>Big Brother 1984 kept on telling me how good Dartmouth is going to place him in the finance sector.</p>