<p>I applied EDII, but I still want to try out for the drama department at Juilliard. Winning a spot at Juilliard is almost impossible. If by some chance I was selected as one of the few (under twenty people in each class) and I was lucky enough to be given a spot at the chosen college (a very selective college), and I wanted to go to Juilliard, I know this would be unethical … but could it be done?</p>
<p>Jane2, you already know the answer to this one. Even if you could, if Juilliard ever found out, you’d be out of there as well. Don’t do it.</p>
<p>You seem to have already answered your question. It is unethical and against the rules. It could probably be done by lying about financial need or family emergency. That would not make it right.</p>
<p>ED II is binding.</p>
<p>If you truly want to be considered at Julliard, call the EDII college and withdraw your application. 'Nuf said.</p>
<p>Would it make sense to call the college and have them change the app to R? Or, would that put me on the bottom of their list? Chances at Juilliard are so slim. I kind of think I should go through the process at Juilliard just to see if I get disqualified. Then I would know I couldn’t have gotten in. But, if I don’t try out, I’ll never know if I could have gone. The EDII decision will probably come in about the same time as the J audition. The audition is a single day process.</p>
<p>Yes, have it changed to R. They don’t “look down” on you for doing so. You are just considered at the same time as the other RD applicants.</p>
<p>Trying to see if you can get into Juilliard is one thing. But if you want to do what you just described, then you should not have applied EDI or EDII ANYWHERE because it is binding and doesn’t allow you to “see if I could have gotten into X college/conservatory and if not, I’ll go to ED school.” If you wanna do that, then go the RD route. ED is binding and is meant to be when you are CERTAIN you will attend that school no matter who else accepts you. You agreed to withdraw all other applications if accepted. Also, when schools find out you were accepted ED elsewhere, they can rescind their offer to you. So, if you want to be open to attending Juilliard in case, then switch your other school apps to all RD. That’s how it works. I agree the odds at Juilliard are slim and particularly for recent HS graduates. They take 20 students and only a certain percentage of those are currently HS seniors. Certainly audition there. But if you get in ED elsewhere, that’s a done deal. If you want an open option, you must do EA or RD. That’s how it works. Schools hold you to this. Schools who find out you broke an ED commitment, also take repercussions. The answer to your dilemma is not to drop auditioning at Juilliard, but to switch the ED school to RD. Or you could try out for Juilliard and keep the ED school as ED, but if you get into that school, you must attend whether or not Juilliard invites you to join their class.</p>
<p>Also, once you receive an ED II acceptance, you MUST withdraw all other applications. This means that you would be required to withdraw your application to Juilliard even if it was the day before the auditions. If you want to keep your options open for Juilliard (for grad school, for example), you would be unwise to do the ED II route too. Either plan to withdraw your Juilliard application and audition time if you get accepted ED II OR change the ED II application to RD. As Soozviet says…that is how the process works. Coulda, woulda, shoulda is NOT for the ED crowd.</p>
<p>The advice is sound. You could hurt your prospects for all of your schools if you play around with this. I think even auditioning for Juilliard is a big deal so if you let the adcoms know that you need to switch to RD because you have gotten up your nerve to go through these auditions despite the tiny odds of making it, I think it will be a plus for you. I know that saying that you auditioned fr Juilliard is considered a pretty big deal, as that is a pretty tough crowd there.</p>
<p>No one will blame you for switching an ED application to R because you want to audition for Juilliard, and everyone will respect your honesty if you call now and ask to make the switch so you can do that. Playing games – keeping the application ED, but planning to try to get out of it if you get into Juilliard – is just wrong, even if the likelihood that you will be caught or punished is low. </p>
<p>That said, I’m not sure the conflict is that serious for you. With an ED II application in, you have to pursue other RD options, at least until you get accepted at the ED school. So I don’t see anything wrong with trying to get an audition at Juilliard as one of those options, as long as you know you have to drop out of that process if you are notified of acceptance at the ED school. If what you really want is some indication whether you measure up to Juilliard’s standards, you may well be able to get that without changing your application.</p>
<p>Is Juilliard a college or university?</p>
<p>If I applied to an ed school and then applied to a symphony, I see no problem telling the school I’m going to join the symphony instead.</p>
<p>Juilliard is considered a college.</p>
<p>There’s another problem with reneging on a binding ED commitment. It can create a credibility problem for your high school’s college counseling office and jeopardize future applicants’ chances at the college.</p>
<p>Juiiliard is a school, not something you “join”. It is a school that has a College Division. Juilliard’s web address is an .edu address as well.</p>
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<p>The degree granted by Juilliard is the same degree that my kid is earning at NYU/Tisch…a BFA in Drama. However, Juilliard also accepts students who already have a bachelor’s degree and those students, therefore, can earn a diploma and have no liberal arts requirements. Juilliard is a stand alone conservatory, whereas some other BFA in Drama conservatories (ie., Tisch, Carnegie Mellon) are within a greater university setting.</p>
<p>I agree with wjb, that if a student renigs on an ED binding acceptance, it causes future problems for the sending HS as all those involved knew that signing an ED application is a BINDING agreement.</p>
<p>Reneging on ED can be a problem even if you do not go to a college. Believe me, without a good reason for not going to that college, you will be on its list for undesirables. It is funny how fate often catches up with you too. Many years later, you may want something from that college, and they always ask if you have ever applied there. It’s not a good thing to have this sort of thing on your record as young as you are and starting out. You are doing well to audition for Juilliard, and letting your school know that as you change to RD will probably boost your app.</p>
<p>I would not let the ED school know that the reason for changing to RD rather than ED was due to auditioning for Juilliard. For one thing, I disagree that it would boost the application to the ED school. Anyone can audition for Juilliard and it doesn’t mean you are outstanding talent just to audition. Anyway, I have a gut feeling that this person’s ED2 school is a BA degree program (non audition), and in fact, a BA school, upon hearing someone wants to attend a BFA, let alone stand alone conservatory BFA, may wonder if their BA school is truly the right “fit” for the applicant as these are very different degree programs, let alone types of colleges. </p>
<p>I think this applicant should either switch the ED application to a RD one, or keep the ED application in and audition at Juilliard because she just wants to see if she could make it but realize that if the ED comes through, she has to attend the ED school. Frankly, the odds of getting into the BFA at Juilliard are about 1% chance (and that is without even knowing this person’s talent). In fact, not only are they 1% odds but if this applicant is seeking a BA school as a first choice school, they are likely not the typical BFA applicant.</p>
<p>Schools, especially those that have binding ED policies, will not penalize you for choosing to apply regular, because binding is a really big deal. Even people who have XX school as their first choice will often apply regular only because ED binding is so final. Go ahead and ask for your ED application to be pushed to regular, they will not mark you down for it. They will however mark you down severely for cheating the system.</p>
<p>I agree with SoozieVT completely.Typically the drive required by students interested in a BFA or BM so precludes other interests, that applying as a regular BA candidate doesn’t even come onto the radar screen. For these kids, there really is no “either/or”…and I think the colleges/conservatories know that too.</p>
<p>Though anyone can audition to the drama school at Juilliard, it does take a certain amount of desire to do so. Many of the kids at our school apply to BFA and BA programs in the arts, and it is viewed as a feather in the cap to go through an audition process. Many of these kids get into some of each type of school. It is an indication of a student’s degree of commitment and abilities to even attempt auditions which are arduous. Many schools do not have auditions though they have strong arts programs, and would look at an auditioning student as someone who is strongly pursing that venue. I think auditioning for Juilliard is a special experience whether you get accepted or not, and am personally impressed by someone who will go through the trouble to arrange for such an audition. It is a daunting experience to undergo, and self selecting as a result. I am not an admissions director, so I will ask our school counselors who see many of these kids who audition at BFA type programs AND apply to elite schools as well, as theatre/LA majors, and ask if my perception is off. I am an old friend of an adcom of a highly selective LAC, and will ask her too, though I suspect the answer there would be a resounding, yes. I do know that at our school, several of the kids who got into Harvard, Brown, and Princeton also auditoned for theatre in some top theatre schools. They got into both types of programs BFA and BA, and picked the overall best school for themselves. A couple of them over the past few years have grabbed the lead roles in performances at the colleges where they have gone. To just ask to change ED to RD, may indicate a waver in interest, whereas to say you are doing it for a 1% shot at the moon, the most selective arts program in the country, is a whole different thing. Though Juilliard is indeed an college, it is also similar in prestige to joining an orchestra or a cast or other achievement that is a rare accomplishment Those kids I know who auditioned for Juilliard are all in top flight programs and schools despite not getting into Juilliard, and they are proud of that attempt in a way that they do not regard applying to Harvard or auditioning for NYU.</p>