<p>I just talked to my counselor, and when I said I wanted to apply both Yale and oxford(PPE), she adviced me to only choose one of them to apply, given the similar deadline and different application procedures and requirements. </p>
<p>It is like the Sophie’s choice! I just keep picturing myself receiving the rejection of one and wondering what would happen if I applied to the other.</p>
<p>So did any of you guys ever applied to both?
And if you also think it is “mission impossible”, which one would you advice me to concentrate on?</p>
<p>By the way, I am studying A-level and I am Chinese.</p>
<p>I like them both very much, but I guess Yale attracts me more.
But talking about the possibility of getting in, I guess for me the chance of getting in Oxford is greater, because there are very few chinese students studying A-level,given that oxford do not accept chinses high school diploma, the competition with other chinese students would be less fierce. </p>
<p>Any way, thanks in advance for any suggestions!:)</p>
<p>Yale is 90% my EA too!
Would you suggest some other place for an international student needing aid big time for a physics major? And if Yale is right then why?</p>
<p>I don’t think Yale is right for physics/engineer major, rather Princeton is very good at science and stuff. </p>
<p>I heard my counselor saying Harvey Mudd College is even better than CalTech, as it offers more well-rounded education. Though I do not really know about its financial aid policy to international student. </p>
<p>Also, I heard one of my classmates who is also interested in physics saying that University of Michigan, Ann Arbor is strong in physics too. So you might also want to look into that.</p>
<p>And I think Texas A&M Uni is strong in engineering.</p>
<p>But since I am by no means interested in physics major, you might need to go check them yourself.:)</p>
<p>I dont understand why your counselor would have said you shouldnt apply to both!!! Have you seen the Oxford application? It will take a very short time to do. By the way if you do a UCAS, you can apply to both Oxford and Cambridge. English Colleges, unlike US ones, dont care about your EC’s, or your essay of how you want to save the world. They want to know why you want to study the subject you are applying for, and your grades. Thats it. Another suggestion - Yale app will be available in July/Early August – start doing it then, so in Sept you are done.</p>
<p>Yale is great for sciences. Believe me, I visited AND I know a fair bit about the process so my word holds some amount of credibility :p. They’re pouring tons of cash into this area.</p>
<p>@mhmm: thanks for your suggestions! my counselor’s reason is that there is gonna be interview preparations and also training in the thinking skill assessment exam. So I can’t just do well in both.</p>
<p>Princeton IS my first choice and it DOES NOT have EA. Moreover, I trust tetris’s opinion more than any stats for college admissions, so if she says Yale is good for science and my experience offers nothing on the contrary, I’ll have to accept it :)</p>
<p>Does Harvey/UM have EA for internationals? And hows aid at UM?
Thanks for your suggestions Kujalulu.</p>
<p>Assuming Yale’s doesn’t bind you to applying to only one university in the whole world then apply to both. It sounds like (in an ideal world) you would apply to both, so go for it rather than wonder ‘what if’ in the future. There’s five months from now until the October 15 deadline for Oxford, which honestly is enough time to read around your subject and write a nice personal statement for Oxford. You also have a summer to do two apps - not too bad. Good luck (:</p>
<p>Thanks Agneisse!
Though I really found it hard to balance these two. interesting EC, reading books, research on universities, preparing app&essays…aaahhhhh… I wonder two months are really enough for me to do all these stuff.</p>
<p>As far as I know, your ED contract only binds you (some argue that this contract is nonbinding, but it hasn’t been contested in a court of law yet, so let’s assume it’s binding) to ENROLLING at the school if accepted. It does NOT in any way contractually prohibit you from applying to a single ED and multiple EAs or multiple RDs. I believe, however, the ED contract contractually prohibits applying to more than one ED or restricted EA school at the same time. I also believe it might require you (contractually) to withdraw your applications to other schools if accepted, but I’m not sure. Usually this clause isn’t that well enforced anyway.</p>
<p>Restricted or Single Choice EA contracts only contractually prohibit you from applying to more than one EA or ED school, and does NOT in any way bind you into ENROLLING at said school. It makes no provision restricting you from applying for rolling decision or regular decision to my knowledge.</p>
<p>With an EA contract, you are free to apply to an ED school, multiple EAs and RDs. You are NOT required to attend the said school if admitted.</p>
<p>Looks like since none of the EA/ED variations of the contracts contractually prohibit you in any way from applying to RD at the same time, you’re still obeying the terms of the contract if you apply to Oxford and Yale at the same time, as long as you’re not applying for some kind of early admit program at Oxford. I would say go ahead and apply to both. It might also be that admissions at Oxford won’t care about the EA contract with Yale-it might not be enforceable in the UK anyway, but I’m not a lawyer. </p>
<p>Disclosure: I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.</p>
<p>If you apply to single choice EA, commonly known as SCEA (such as Yale/Georgetown and some others) you sign a statement that you are not applying anywhere else EA (and maybe ED). There is nothing that is stopping you from applying rolling early in Sept. English schools are considered rolling, and so are schools such as Michigan, etc. In terms of withdrawing from other colleges if accepted to an ED program – true that the clause hasnt been tested in court, but equally true that there are proofs walking around that had both admissions rescinded because they didnt withdraw from other colleges after getting a binding offer.
Preparation for Oxford phone interview – you can do it and fill out a Yale app – its not rocket science and if you are of a caliber of student that is planning to apply to such schools, you shouldnt have a problem fulfilling both.</p>