Is it too early to whine about the holidays?

So you’ve done your part. It’s awesome that your kids love their grandparents. But now your kids are adults and they, not you, are responsible for their relationship with their grandparents. Phone calls, video calls, etc. all can be used in the meantime in the long days/months in between visits. It’s THEIR responsibility, not yours.

Also, it’s your parents’ responsibility, not yours, to call their grandchildren.

Guess how often my nutty grumpy dad calls his only 2 grandchildren? Never. Yet he grumbles regularly to me about it. Um, the phone works both ways, buddy. It’s not a one-way street.

When my MIL was still alive, she’d passive-aggressively complain to my DH that our 2 teenage daughters “never called her back!” Guess what? MIL would call my kids in the middle of the day WHEN THEY WERE AT SCHOOL. Oh for pete’s sake. And then HW was a priority 1st over calling Grandma back. They’d call Grandma back about 7-8 pm in the evening.

And guess what?

Grandma wouldn’t pick up the phone. Why? Because she couldn’t hear the phone ring. Why? Because she refused to get hearing aids. But you couldn’t leave a voicemail because her voicemail was full. Why was that? She refused to learn how to listen to her voicemail messages.

You get the idea.

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@deb922 - if you don’t mind, is it ok to add my own holiday whining to this thread?

Every year for what feels like forever, my kids & SIL’s kids ask if we can all get together around Thanksgiving or Christmas. Every year, my SIL is evasive and says, “Maybe, we’ll see,” which is really SIL-speak for “No,” but she’s too afraid of being assertive and saying no. Instead, she says, “Maybe, I’ll have to get back to you.” And then she just never gets back to you.

SIL also is really bad at returning phone calls, answering text messages. She’s bad at communication of all kinds.

Every year, SIL will always say, “Maybe we could come visit for a few days between Christmas and New Year’s.” She says this in front of her kids and my kids. So all 4 kids get excited. And all of the kids repeatedly ask their parents about it.

And then every year, it never happens. DH repeatedly calls & texts his sister to ask about it and after multiple attempts to reach her, she finally says no. But about half of the time, New Year’s Day comes and goes with no communication from her at all.

We’ve even offered to go there to them and we usually get no reply or response to that either.

this isn’t a new thing. Heck, 2 days before SIL’s wedding day, she still hadn’t told everybody where the rehearsal dinner was going to be. She wouldn’t tell anybody the location until 1 of the groomsmen shouted at her and told her that if she didn’t give him the address & time to show up for the rehearsal dinner, he wasn’t showing up to the dinner. :roll_eyes: :joy:

My kids would love to spend a holiday or even a day or 2 NEAR a holiday with their cousins. But it never happens because my SIL is a flake and has made it clear through her behavior that she’s just not interested in spending time with us.

And the AIL & UIL who seem to be allergic to driving anywhere more than an hour? Well, after MIL’s death a year ago, they’ve pretty much hardly spoken to us. Not even a phone call to wish D24 a happy graduation from high school…this from the people who claim to care about DH & SIL & their immediate families so much. Um sure, ok.

With all of DH’s extended family, I used to knock myself to make everybody else happy. Would turn myself into a pretzel over it all. You’d be amazed at the amount of hand wringing and pearl clutching all of them would do over something as simple as “What is sbinaz serving for the holiday meal?” That topic alone would result in 8 weeks of repeated phone calls and questions. I’d lost count the # of times over the past 20 years that AIL would say, “You know, I have celiac disease” or how many times my MIL would say, “You know, I’m a diabetic. Will there be anything there for me to eat?”

OMG, YES! There will be GLUTEN-FREE GRAVY, gluten-free sides, plenty of low-sugar foods for the diabetics, etc., etc. Nobody was poisoned. Nobody got sick afterwards because they ingested something containing an allergen or whatever. Nobody got sick from cross contamination.

I even bought a $50 gluten-free pie one year just for AIL, which UIL then promptly ate 75% of in one sitting all on his own, leaving no left overs for AIL.

I could go on and on, but you get the idea. LOL. :laughing:

I myself have gotten so much nonsense from my own parents over the years about dragging my kids across the country to visit them in person at their house…at times when we really couldn’t afford it because of lack of time, money, work or school limitations, whatever, that I vowed to myself that I’m never going to put my kids through that when they are adults w/their own families.

And in my opinion, once my kids get married, the kid + their spouse becomes a family unit and DH & I turn into ‘extended family.’ Therefore at that time, what I want goes on the back burner.

My older daughter has a big interest in going into healthcare. So I totally expect that once she’s in the working world after college, there will be a fair number of Thanksgivings and Christmases where she might have to work. That’s ok. We’ll go to her and heck, I’m happy to cook the whole meal and we can eat on whatever day she wants at whatever time.

What I do NOT want for myself is to be on my death bed and think, “Oh man, I really wish I hadn’t spent so much time at my own house grumpy about how come my kids don’t visit me.”

Families are messy. Every family has some kind of dysfunctional stuff in it. I’d also encourage you and all of us to consider that it’s ok to rock the boat and do things differently going forward…just because something was “always done this way in OUR family” doesn’t mean that is something that you should do that way in perpetuity.

Remember:

  • when somebody shows you who they are, believe them.
  • continue forward however you want people to treat you.
  • it’s easier to hold onto a handful of sand with an open palm than a closed fist.
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Gosh you have found a way!! Tell the backseat drivers the repetitive message of “we are gonna stick with this plan this year, thanks “

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lol @sbinaz you got a lot on your mind! I certainly understand!

This was a whine and only a whine. Because the holidays are hard! The rest of the year is fine, we’re fine, but all this pressure over a certain period is always something I worry about.

Because there are a million moving parts and a million different people, each with their own needs.

What do I want?

Not to be the last person thought about, the last in line. Unfortunately they go everywhere but here. They don’t have to come every year, they don’t have to come over Christmas. But maybe once in a while, they could think about the parents. It’s also that we take a backseat to the in laws, if you could come to my house once for every 6, 10, a dozen times without me begging you. That would be nice.

My children have other obligations, work and I get that they want to go on vacations themselves. But they manage to get to the in laws. It’s plain and simple, hurtful.

I’m venting here so I leave them alone. Because I don’t want to be that parent.

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That is tough. You get the holiday the in laws don’t celebrate. And flying across the country is a lot.

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One of the many great lessons I learned in therapy was to focus on the end result, not the process.

End result- you want more time with your kids. So make that happen. You can’t change how they think-- whether you are number 1 or number 50 on their list of priorities. You can’t change how everyone else in the ecosystem behaves (why are the in-laws so needy? why are my siblings so self-absorbed?). Why do they value vacations more than family time? If I can drive 6 hours why can’t they- it’s the same 6 hours according to the laws of physics! But you CAN figure out how to get what you want.

And in a certain way, the fact that nobody is putting your needs at the top of the pile is actually a compliment to YOU and your parenting. Imagine being so needy that your kids had to worry about you at this point in their lives? Imagine having the kind of relationship with your adult children where “but what’s Mom going to do on XYZ holiday without us?” is the first consideration?

So take the compliment!

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I certainly try and think about it that way. Most of the time, it’s good.

We aren’t needy and we try not to be demanding. But it’s still what it is.

I do also have a spouse to help, support and negotiate with. He sometimes wants to be home and not travel all the time. That’s his right also.

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Agree it’s often hard to sit on one’s hands and wait. I have learned with my family that their extended family on both sides are not planners. Of course that makes it difficult for us when we are across the country so for Thanksgiving, we do have our tickets but we are in a “wait and see” for what will happen when. As I mentioned up thread, younger son of his family have made plans With some friends who are coming to visit them The weekend following Thanksgiving. Older son and his family were going to try and overnight at an Airbnb with the disabled son’s family but that extended part of the family do not plan until the last minute. So we wait.

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For Thanksgiving, if it were up to me, we’d just have the side dishes and dessert! One year, we came to the realization as a family that none of us really love turkey, so we’ve agreed to 86 that and do ham instead - but still half of us would be happy with just the side dishes.

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I’m a crummy cook, plus we’re traveling across the country for Thanksgiving. But apparently Honeybaked Hams makes a tasty smoked turkey, so I can handle ordering that online as our contribution.:blush:

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Everyone has their own whine, and here’s mine. Slightly different, but a whine is a whine…
At age 53, I’m just… fatigued by the same old, same old of the holidays, truly. Fatigued by the same obligations to get the tree and clean up after it and spend a pile of money and listen to schlocky music. Our parents are all deceased and we come from small families, so we’ve never done the big Walton Family gathering, nor have we wanted to. I would love more than anything to forego the “traditions” and travel somewhere-- I’m not religious and again, I’ve done plenty of the “gather 'round the tree” Christmases-- but our daughters age 16 and 12 are the opposite. They are more than happy to spend piles of money and listen to the same exhausted Christmas schlock.
Uggghhh… there really is no solution for now; I’m just whining. My girls tease me about my lackluster holiday spirit, which is fine. What I really like is just New Year’s Day… a new start, and let’s please move away from the holidays. Thanks for listening :slight_smile:

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Good to vent here! Also, welcome to the cafe! :blush:

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Probably about 5 years ago (when the kids really stopped caring about decorating their own trees with their own ornaments (a tradition they had loved for years), I wistfully started saying that the holidays need to come every two years, not annually.

The holidays were so filled with pressure (see so many of the posts above that we can all relate to when reading), and I just got fed up with the unpleasant feelings of dread, versus anticipation for the holidays.

So I stopped decorating much at all. No one else cared to do it, why should I knock myself out to decorate 3 indoor trees etc?

The holidays are exhausting. And I’m done with trying to make them so “fun” and inviting for others. So I’ve cut back a LOT over recent years (Covid years helped obviously) and I’m happier to have them be much less “fuss”.

ETA: sorry, I’m realizing this should be more focused on trying to meet the travel and visit expectations of others and getting burned out in process. I should have tied that in to my post….but then didn’t have the energy to keep writing about holiday complaints! But the visiting part I’ve had it with as well. I’m suppose to see in-laws to ooh and aaah over their tree but they don’t realize that they rarely have made an effort to see our tree for example…and for years I actually did a beautiful job for a 10 foot tree and certainly didn’t complain to them when they didn’t come see it. Bc I did it for the joy it brought me. Not to demand certain others to “see it”.

Now I’m worn out.
We’d travel for holidays but then feel guilty leaving my 81 year old mother by herself since my dad passed 3 years ago. My brother would likely see her, but not necessarily….and I’d still hear the passive aggressive comments from my mother that she had such a “quiet” Christmas without us. So we stay home. :neutral_face:

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I will decorate our house as much as I feel like doing. We will have Christmas Eve appetizer dinner which we have done for many years. If local kid and husband aren’t working, they can come. Christmas Day is morning here…then friend Christmas dinner if they have it this year. If not, I’ll probably make a brisket since it’s also Hannukah.

My whole family is a distance away, and we have decided nice weather when we can all be outside is more fun.

We haven’t spent any of the holidays with my in laws in a long time. My DHs siblings…several have their own traditions with their kids. It’s really fine. We find times to see them during the year.

Holidays can be any day you want them to be.

@deb922 i understand your husband. Mine refuses to drive or fly anywhere on holiday weekends.

In my experience, if you give your kids something ELSE- they will embrace it.

They don’t want the void- the holidays filled with nothing and more nothing. But something positive- a family service project? Adopt a local immigrant family that arrived with nothing and go grocery shopping with them, help them fill out the various forms they need to fill out, post on your local “Buy Nothing” site to get couches, kitchen chairs, etc- this is all very time consuming but is a perfect family project if you want something that isn’t centered around buying your kids endless stuff they don’t really want.

I posted earlier about my synagogues very successful Thanksgiving and Christmas meal initiative. Every year the number of whole families who show up increases (a 6 year old isn’t roasting a turkey- but he can stack pies into a volunteers truck and make sure the napkins get loaded with the paper cups.) It’s become a program for anyone who doesn’t want to do “the holiday thing” but who aren’t ready to give up and eat a bowl of cheerios and watch reruns on Comedy Central.

Is there something like this in your area where the family can commit to a volunteer program which takes the pressure off the main cleaner upper/cookie baker/wrapping gifts captain- i.e. YOU? You can buy a small rosemary bush at a local garden store, make a popcorn and cranberry string and call it “decorated”.

I don’t celebrate Christmas so I know I don’t have “standing” per se, but I see my friends so exhausted and demoralized once the kids are old enough to know Santa is just mom with a high credit limit at Visa…maybe this is your year to change it up?

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We haven’t done a traditional Thanksgiving meal in years as none of us like any of the dishes. We also made the decision once we had kids that it wasn’t worth it to travel then so it’s just been the 4 of us and it’s been lovely. This year it will just be 3 of us as D22 is in Spain.

As long as I see my girls over Christmas at some point, I am good. We usually travel to see family but this year with the girls’ breaks it just doesn’t make sense. Thankfully my extended family is very understanding and I hope that I can be that way when my kids have families of their own.

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@sbinaz and @blossom – PREACH!

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I’ve read about a quarter of the posts currently in this thread and from what you’ve posted here (and elsewhere on CC), it seems to me that you’ve offered/suggested every possible permutation of holiday visits and not one of them works. I totally get that as well as having a prickly relationship with a grown-and-flown kid, as I have posted elsewhere in the cafe.

I just posted this to Facebook:
So many of us have had this feeling (well, at least I have)! Sometimes you (i.e., I) just have to indulge myself with self-pity, lol. I get over it!


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My sympathy and empathy, @deb922. I just found out that my tiny family’s always-host-family are doing something else for Thanksgiving. Oh well, I’ll just have to engineer an invitation somewhere else, and I’ll save a bundle when I cancel the rental car.

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Thanks so much! I know from your posts that you get this also! Sorry that your thanksgiving plans got cancelled

One thing that helped me, is that several years ago, I stopped sending Christmas cards. I was really busy, never got around to it, and what do you know, it was fine, and I haven’t done them since. My husband started sending them, but he just scrawls our names, with no message in them. He even sends them to our kids, who are always home for Christmas. Shoot, maybe one year I’ll find one in the mail for me.:rofl::christmas_tree:

I think sometimes women don’t care for the holiday stuff is because we end up getting stuck with the bulk of the work, while everyone else just enjoys it. It has gotten easier for me now that my husband does most of the decorating (he loves Christmas), and since the kids are grown, it’s chocolate and money under the tree. Still don’t like it, but it’s less stressful now.

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