<p>thats all ********. The international red cross didnt not allow magen david adom to join their orginization until i think this yr. Magen david adom is the jews’ red cross. Yet the IRC allowed the red crescent to join when their ambulances have transported bombs to kill jews before. I dont care what kind of garbage that orginization spews its an anti-semitic UN-like tower of babel…but instead of blasiting israel tell me what SHOULD they have done.</p>
<p>CGM:
We are all aware that civilians are being killed on both sides of the Lebanese border. What do you suggest the apprpriate Israeli response should be?
If weapons are stored in civilian areas, if they are being transported in civilian vehicles, how can these not become targets?</p>
<p>So, the israels can tell from say up in the air that a car full of people has weapons in the trunk? that those 15 houses they destroyed had stashes of weapons in the attic? What Xray vision…cool…what gets me is the attitdue that Israel has made no mistakes in this at all, and that well, some dead Arabs, ah well</p>
<p>What they should have done should have happened years ago, but it didn’t</p>
<p>its iike asking what we should do in Iraq NOW, AFTER it has been all effed up</p>
<p>This AMAZES me:</p>
<p>“and if to safegaurd jews some arabs will die as part of collatoral damage so be it.”</p>
<p>So Jewish lives are more valuable than all others, is that what you are saying? that other innocent lives must be sacrificed? I thought all people, all innocent people lives had value equally, guess I was wrong…people talk about anti semitism, throwing it around as if anyone who raises questions about how israel handled this are somehow anti Jewish and want israel gone, yet they will say, hey some dead Arabs or Palestinians, or Lebanese, well, they ALL must be part of the people attackng israel, so its okay if we blow them off the planet…don’t get me wrong, the attitude to get rid of the Jewish people is horrendous and abomindable…but killing innocents is not the way to create peace in the region in the long run</p>
<p>what do to,who the h#0$ knows anymore, sometimes things are such a mess, there is noanswer…standing down NOW would be a start</p>
<p>I would LOVE to have the answer to your questions, but I don’t think killing innocent people is an answer, but you seem to think so</p>
<p>COLLATERAL damage is dead bodies…</p>
<p>“If weapons are stored in civilian areas, if they are being transported in civilian vehicles, how can these not become targets?”</p>
<p>You’ve just made an excuse for every suicide bomber and every Katusha rocket ever thrown. Sometimes, of course, they “miss” hitting soldiers, or military targets. But since virtually all Israeli males are either in the military or in the reserves, you have just made an “acceptable” target out of every Jewish male in Israel, and every male Israeli taken from his home is a combatant and fair game (and lots of women, too.) Everyone else killed is just “collateral damage”.</p>
<p>Why is it “collateral damage” when you aim at apartment buildings, and just happen to hit them? At airports, and hit them? At schools, and hit them? The idea, of course, is to “terrorize” the other side. Isn’t that the definition of terrorism?</p>
<p>Fortunately, there are many in both Israel and Palestine that have seen through the charade. There have been 770,000 phonecalls on the “Hello, Salaam - Hello, Shalom” hotline (dial, in Israel or Palestine, 6364) sponsored by the Israeli-Palestinian Families of the Bereaved Forum for Peace since its inception in October 2002. Most of the calls are from families from either side who have lost a loved one - father, mother, brother, sister, son or daughter - to one on the other side who has lost the same. They don’t spend a lot of time discussing borders. <a href=“http://www.theparentscircle.com%5B/url%5D”>www.theparentscircle.com</a> Most Americans would think that impossible, of course.</p>
<p>Calls have majorly stepped up within the past week.</p>
<p>countries that harbor these terrorist organizations are just as responsible no matter what crap you say.</p>
<p>Agreed, especially when one, which governs without a constitution or a bill of rights, has turned its country into a “terrorist state”. (Which isn’t to say the others wouldn’t, only that they haven’t had the opportunity.)</p>
<p>wonder what zoosermom would say to ozym comment…</p>
<p>Doesn’t matter … he is right. Terrorists cannot exist without the backing of a state.</p>
<p>ur an idiot and moral degenerate…the little baby who was shot in the head because he was jewish is fair game because in 17 yrs he becomes a soldier? Israel would have no need for such army if the terror would just stop…in fact hitting airports and roads is very crucial its just astrategic step that makes sense. You bomb the airport and u stop the arabs means of transporting the hostages to iran like they intended, you stop the arabs means of transporting weapons and people from syria and iran. Same idea with the beirut-damscus highway. Secondly, rockets are fired from schools and apartement buildings and believe me israel does no where they are…they usually do no who is in the car and when they make a mistake its a shame but it happens in war. Clinton accidently bombed a tylenol factory **** happens but whats important is that it isnt on purpose. Israel is just trying to defend itself. Additionaly, to the israeli government, yes the lives of jews are more important that arabs and if to save jews and save israelis including israeli arabs, who have been killed and shot at by terrorists from lebanon, israel has to attack those terrorists then it must be done. What sickens me the most about all ur attacks on israel is that u dont have a solution. WHAT DO YOU DO to end the killing of jews. Something has to be done, the arabs initiated this war and they brought it on themselves. Y do u blame the jews for collatoral damage in lebanon but not the arab terrorists who hide amongst innocent civillians.</p>
<p>A moral degenerate? </p>
<p>So you bomb every car because it COULD have a weapon
You destroy every house because it COULD have a weapon
So you destroy a school because it COULD have a weapon</p>
<p>Sorry if I don’t have the answers to the crisis, Israels answer to to bomb the heck out of people who have done nothng personally to them</p>
<p>You solution it appears to be is to destroy a country, even though the majority are not terrorists, unless you are claiming my friends mother, all old and wrinkled was a danger to Israel</p>
<p>If you want to call names, go ahead, doens’t scare me, as in your intention</p>
<p>How many people should Israel kill to defend itself> And do you really think that after all this, they will be safer? That they won’t have ticked of the entire population of Lebanon who were just going about their lives, that other countries in the region won’t step in and help Lebanon rebuild its roads, etc and that memories will be long for what was done</p>
<p>In 5 years, if not sooner, Israel will be back in this same spot…with many more angry people whose did nothing yet whose lives were destroyed</p>
<p>And then what</p>
<p>It is not my job to fix this, sorry, it is not, but I am entitled to talk about it.</p>
<p>If you think killing all them arabs is the only solution, what can one say to that</p>
<p>If you drop a bomb on a car carrying Canadan citizens fleeing cause they might have a machine gun, it is on purpose</p>
<p>well giving the arabs land like they pretended to want sure as hell didnt solve any problems. Israel isnt indiscrimantely throwing bombs on lebanon its aiming them at specific targets occasionaly it makes mistakes…its a war zone and its soo difficult for them especially when the terrorist fight among civillians. I dont understand how that doesnt anger you. If the arabs didnt kill jews israel wouldnt be in lebanon now, if the terrorists didnt hide amongst innocent civillians ur grandmother wouldnt be in danger…and no u dont have a rite to criticize israels self defense unles u can provide some sort of alternative bc it seems to me that the intifadah ended with sharons heavy handed attacks. Every war israel has fought has helped secure some peace and the ball is in the arabs court if they want peace they get it if they dont well u see what happens. To deny israels rite to self defense is blatant anti-semitism u maybe dont think we have horns and control the economy but if u wont allow the jews to save themselves then ur an anti-semite</p>
<p>also the reason u wont tell me what Israel should do is bc u no nothing else will work to save jewish lives and u dont their lives to be saved so u peddle ur nonsense but i think ive stumped u bc u cant provide an alternative which shows u have no idea what ur talking about</p>
<p>"Unless and until you solve the Arab-Israel conflict, you are going to have instability in the region,‘’ said Steven Cook, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.Some scholars view the situation from the opposite direction. Coit Blacker, director of Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford, believes that "there is no answer to the Arab-Israel conflict until the nature of politics within the region changes substantially.‘’</p>
<p>To call me an anti semite for thinking that israel over reacted is kind of Ironic, when i know many Jews who feel the same…guess those Jewish people protesting at the Israel Embassy are anti semitic as well</p>
<p>To call me an anti semite for disagreeing with the current course of action, well gosh, whatever</p>
<p>Guess it was a mistake when my D was dating Ben, who happened to be Jewish, the anti semite in me should have barred him at the door instead of welcoming him into my home, shame on me for not doing what you would have done, barred your home from them arab types</p>
<p>U haven’t stumped me, the history is to long and solutions could have been found years ago, and it is all connected to Iraq and that mess…so we can go back decades, but what use? Sometimes people mess things up so badly, you just hope for restraint and thinking before destruction…and knowing that this is just the beginning and the anger willjust increase, it will really harm Israel in the long run, according to many analsyts</p>
<p>Aren’t you happy you stumped me? Woohoo, now you can rejoice in the deaths of so many…good for you</p>
<p>Please, this conflict has been going on forever. Since God promised the holy land to just about anyone that wanted a stake in it.</p>
<p>I think we can agree on some fundamental things:
Hezbollah is bad</p>
<p>A wise man said, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” I think what we’re seeing in the nations of Lebanon, Syria and Iran are these ‘innocent’ people doing nothing. People in Lebanon have allowed Hezbollah to become deeply entrenched in their country, and the government is too weak or unwilling to stop them. These guys are evil, someone has to stop them. </p>
<p>So when Israel has to clean up this bad business, wherever it may be, in caves or in the center of a major city, it’s going to get done. To prevent this triumph of evil, if you will.</p>
<p>Take away the terror backing from the state and Hezbollah is running scared.</p>
<p>ur an idiot…this has nothing to do with iraq…in fact it would have been worse if iraq wasnt in power. You are an anti-semite for denying israels fundamental rite to self-defense and thus bringing about its destruction. Had you proposed a solution then sure maybe i wouldnt see u that awy but because u simply say israel should have done nothing after the attacks on them it proves ur an anti-semite. I guess after 9/11 america should have sat tight</p>
<p>CGM Continues to twist and spin: "So if I am understanding you, the only terrorist are the ones that do the killing themselves, NOT the ones who perchance support them financially, with intelligence, etc. I am not now talking about Lebanon, but in general terms. "</p>
<p>That’s right. People who actually commit violence against civilians are terrorists. The others may be terrorist supporters, depending on the circumstances. </p>
<p>"So, here is a question, if you vote to support a group you say is violent, etc, what does that make you, in your mind? "</p>
<p>I wouldn’t do that.</p>
<p>“calling someone a liar for studying the words you used and throwing them back at you…wow…”</p>
<p>You didn’t do that. You specifically stated that I posted certain things that I didn’t post. You didn’t question, you didn’t interpret. You were very specific and, as I have proven repeatedly, I didn’t post what you attributed to me. Therefore, you were either dishonest or intellectually lazy. The first time you did it, I would have thought that you were just quick on the response, but your continued refusal to correct your mis-statements make it very clear that it was intentional dishonesty. Lying.</p>
<p>CGM again: “So Jewish lives are more valuable than all others, is that what you are saying?”</p>
<p>To their own government, of course. That is a major purpose of individual governments. To safeguard and protect the lives of its citizens. Why is that so hard for you to understand?</p>
<p>I want to be clear on my own stance here, which is that the war in Iraq has great DEstabilized the region. I am horrified that Bush sits with his hands tied while this monstrous mess continues to unfold. </p>
<p>I don’t know how anyone could be in favor of any part of what is going on in the Middle east at the moment, from the immoral occupation of Iraq, fomenting a civil war, to the Islamic terrorist activity and vitriol against Israel, to Israel’s bombing of infrastructure. The whole region is a tinder box, waiting to implode regionally, then possibly globally, and I can’t imagine that any thinking person believes that this is merely self-defense, nation building, democracy spreading, or whatever is the latest justification.</p>
<p>From CGM: “wonder what zoosermom would say to ozym comment…”</p>
<p>Why don’t you make something up for me. You’re very creative that way.</p>