The date you submitted petition has nothing to do with when you will hear. Probably will hear by March 15th and will hear by April 15th. A lot of decisions are delayed at all universities because of FAFSA delays. Kelley may issue some decisions this week but for the most part will be focused on the DA days Friday/Saturday.
I wanted to ask, as online many places say that about 65% of review requests are approved. Is this anywhat close to true? I have heard many different things and am trying to get an idea of whether I have shot at Kelley as decision date is approaching closely.
I do not know where the 65% came from which Kelley included in its materials until just recently - that number is not remotely accurate for at least a decade. Based on a different posterās number of apps this year at Kelley, Iām not real optimistic that many petitions will be admitted that have not already been accepted. I hope Iām wrong.
The last variable for Kelley will be how many DAs attend this weekend. Hopefully decisions come out shortly thereafter but if the number of apps is correct and the DA days draws 900 or so DA admits - going to be very few admits via petition - probably close to 15% acceptance rate.
When we spoke directly with the Kelley Director of Admissions, he didnāt say a specific percentage of petitions accepted but definitely hinted that it was a very large amount and that my sonās stats were stellar -My son had to petition because heās test optional as we are from CA and all our state schools are test blind. So, we patiently waitā¦ Iām guessing when we met with the Director of Admissions they werenāt expecting this many applicants - because he did say we would hear back from our petition within 45 days, and itās now been over 4 monthsā¦ Fingers crossed for good news soon!
curious re: your sonās stats as we are in ca in the same boat. the wait is awful!
Very strange convo with admissions because percent acceptance last year via petition was 25% and was always plan this year to not accept any petitions pre 2-1. An admission director this summer at an event repeatedly kept saying 75% petition acceptance mixing up the number accepted with denied. The 65% number was a bummer in communication.
this is a bummer bc people really do believe that 65% # (widely repeated by people and college counselor types). definitely would have done things differently (retaken the SAT) had we known. none of the other schools my son applied to required it/are test blind.
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Yes, this wait has been brutal. We are waiting on visiting IU until we get his decision from Kelley. We attended a California event and everything we were told has been quite different in regard to this petition process. My son has a 4.0 unweighted and 4.5 weighted gpa - and excellent business related ECās. Heās been accepted directly to a few other business schools, we are just waiting on Kelley and the CA Universities. Hoping we hear from Kelley in mid-March!
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Curious where else your son applied/was accepted. My son is in the exact same boat. Looking to study finance/real estate and Econ is the fall back which could get him on the same path. Considering IU standard admission process for Kelley (has a friend whoās a freshman there now doing the same thing who tells him itās ānot hardā. Bu Iām skeptical. ALOT of distractions/fraternityā¦I have all the same concernsā¦
My older brother was a standard admit according to him to the process isnāt that difficult if you can hold yourself accountable. He was able to rush and join a fraternity and was still keeping up good grades. I guess your son just has to ask himself how bad he wants to be in Kelley as there isnāt many second chances in the standard admit process. Also taking all the math requirements at ivy tech prior to starting freshman year helps take off a big chunk of the load!
Kelley communication on petition has been pretty problematic on expectations. Standard message is weāll tell you by 4/15 but over and over at events theyāll note things like 45 days or ārollingā which seems to mean to many FIFO.
Kelley has not been answering petitions within 45 days for awhile. It hasnāt been accepting at 65% for awhile. Kelley admissions at events does continue to say they accept a large number of petitions.
Never underestimate colleges not completely thinking things through in communication. Kelley intended to provide decisions with University admissions in batches due to EA Applicants by 1-15 yet did not intend to release any petitions until after 2-1 so there was not a race to petition.
Petitions regardless of stellar stats is a measure of space available from auto stat admits and then the right-sizing of the percentage of women vs men at Kelley. You cannot accept more than around 1700 kids direct admit frosh per class with standard admits coming in as sophs. The more auto admits and the number of women IU needs to accept to get the Kelley mix to something close to equitably appropriate limits the spots for male applicants right now.
The number 1 indicator of how many direct auto admits will take spots is derived from attendance at DA Days with the last one this weekend. After that event, things should start to move on petitions.
Did he not even take the ACT or SAT?
A lot of west coast kids donāt take either anymore, the UC schools are test blind so if youāre primarily applying to CA schools thereās no need.
TO is a lot easier when you have 70% or so of your admits from the in-state schools and you can review GPA based on students who have enrolled from those high schools. So for UCs or UW that take a huge number of in-state students it works.
When you start applying to schools across the country having limited to zero prior knowledge of the high school makes it way more difficult for admissions to admit TO kids. It is surprising to me that more college counselors at west coast high schools donāt encourage taking the SAT/ACT just in case. Our local high schools had a couple of Wisky admits from the many apps and all had a test score and I think zero Michigan from the TO group. Kelleyās problem is it can make it seem like if you are way over on GPA and TO or real close on both that you have a very high chance of being admitted and that is just not factually accurate.
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We had one girl get into Michigan so far this year EA, she was test-optional. But our (public) HS is pretty good at feeding to ivys and top 20s. Tend to send a handful every year to Dartmouth, Cornell, Duke etc.
(lol youāre from Oregon, can probably guess which central Oregon HS it is)
Interesting how some schools are moving back toward requiring testing- perhaps CA wonāt but I know Dartmouth is and Notre Dame has mentioned it as well. Iām not really sure why some schools are so against it as I just read that test scores are a good indication of college readiness. I know my sonās petition got approved pretty rapidly (2 high schools) and perhaps having an ACT score helped.
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Difficult to argue that SAT/ACT isnāt at some level impacted by the quality of high school or economic ability to have test prep. But also difficult to argue that GPA is any real indicator of success because of grade inflation. Difficult to argue that SAT/ACT isnāt a high indicator of college readiness and success. Itās a tough issue.
When you receive 60k-140k apps, trying to narrow that group becomes impossible without general indicators. Because ECs or essays are not that, too subjective.
Kelley actually does this well because the indicators are that a SAT/ACT equivalent around 1400 is as good as an indicator as 1600 which takes into account somewhat the test score bias. Some of the ātopā schools still subscribe to 1600 is better which is not supported from the evidence but does help with rankings. Hutton with its 1500 direct admit score is still on the idea that a 1500 is better than a 1400 which is true numerically but not in actual indicator of college success.
Agree with you for the most part. Although my son falls into the economically advantaged group his high school is NOT strong academically. His test prep was a $20 book from Amazon and since I paid for that I feel that I helped 
I know some schools do think test scores are simply a reflection of the familyās economic status but itās pretty clear that they do serve a purpose. A million years ago the MCAT score was the leading predictor of a studentās ability to pass the boards at the conclusion of medical school. The ACT/SAT has to mean something, even if it is just test taking ability/reasoning. There has to be a value which translates into āhas the ability to succeedā.
I appreciate that Kelley in its auto-admit is pretty spot on that statistical mark of where it is an indicator and provides realistic opportunities for those who do not have the means or academic background to traditionally overcome SAT/ACT bias to receive entry into the b-school.
Plenty of Malcolm Gladwell and other studies that maybe the MCAT score as a high indicator might actually be that higher income people tend to have the money and means to go to Medical School in the first place. I truly have no idea what is right.
What I do know is high stat kids and parents want high stats to mean a lot and people looking for opportunity from tougher backgrounds need opportunity. I really like that Kelley offers a pathway for all. And Iām glad itās finally realizing that actively including women in the opportunity is also important.
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Does anyone know where to find a list of the pre reqs for Kelley finance BSB? Iām not sure I am seeing the right list. It includes intro to business, calc, and writing, among others. Wondering if DE class (business) or AP scores (for calc and writing) can sub in for those requirements? I have heard here that kids would benefit from taking math classes @ Ivy Tech. Is that still needed for kids who have taken Calc BC?