Jefrobertson ~ what is the date for March DA day? And when you talk if the waitlist, are you including review request applications in that group that might be offered a spot, or waitlist spot?
DA days are Feb 16-17 and March 1-2 I believe. Thereās a decent chance some Kelley decisions will be released right before the March 1-2 weekend. If my kid was in a petition process Iād be targeting that date with my refundable plans.
Iām not sure what you are asking on waitlist. Waitlist is only for petitions. Kelley usually will either accept or deny or not answer review requests for a period of time until it gets to a certain point in the calendar where it begins to answer a high amount to the waitlist in hopes youāll enroll at IU andā¦ wait.
A high amount of auto-DA for IU Kelley are not coming to IU so the waitlist is usually positive for applicants. Just waiting until May 1 to come off.
Good luck
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As always, thank you for your info!
Curious as to why the 1/15 date? A number of Big 10 competitor programs (e.g., Illinois, Wisconsin, Maryland) release end of January, and Purdue releases on 1/15. So I would think IU would know how that all shakes out in February, not mid-January. But maybe those arenāt the competitors IU is worried about? Is the 1/15 date when kids who EDād to privates would have to decline at IU?
Yeah, where are kids choosing over IU, Kelley? Kelley is ranked pretty high as a business school. Higher than most, if not all Big Ten Schools. My daughter got into Penn State, Smeal but would choose Kelley over that. Waiting on Rutgers and UMD. But they donāt rank as high.
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Ohio state business is ranked top 15
Ok! Thereās 7-8 ranked above iu, including Wharton, etc. Where are kids choosing if they donāt get iu?! My daughter is not choosing Penn state. She might choose UMD but probably wonāt get in. The proximity is closer. But IU is ranked better!
Penn State, pitt. Rutgers. Or are you all choosing higher ranked schools for business!! Just wondering jefroberston what schools the kids are choosing instead of iu!!! Itās my daughters top choice. Itās where she has the closet Sat too. Gpa is way over.
Iām not sure what business school rankings people are using, but Poets and Quants is the most respected. Regardless, students should focus on fit when choosing a school, as well as their career goals.
Kelley is a great business school, if it fits what a student is looking for in terms of size, vibe, majors, outcomes, cost.
For the flip side, some students might ideally want a smaller school than IU, or a smaller business school. Kelley has 2,500 students per class which obviously is larger than some entire LACs, many of which have high placement into banking and consulting jobs(if those jobs are on the studentsā radar). Business clubs at IU can also be highly competitive to join, which is a disadvantage in the eyes of some students. Lastly, Kelley is overall a competitive environment which just isnāt for some students, especially introverts. Which is ok. Lots of schools and majors (including non-business majors) can get a student to good business/banking/consulting jobs.
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I love the poets & quants ratings because it is easy to see the raw data behind the rankings. The reason we looked at IU was that the raw data pointed to a great student experience and outcomes, but much easier to get in (which causes it to drop in the overall P&Q rankings).
When I get in the weeds and spreadsheet out the graduation requirements (i.e, what will your schedule look like on a daily basis) IU is most similar (at least for my sonās major) to I of U. But U of I Gies is about 1/3 the the size, and as far as I can tell, less competitive for clubs and experiences, probably by virtue of size and selectivitiy. And thatās the rub ā¦ itās admissions rate is much lower.
The U of I program is so small, Kelley probably doesnāt lose that many kids to U of I. (Also seems like a noticeable number of Gies kids are engineering minors, which would mean they were cross-shopping at Purdue, not IU.) Kelley may lose out to Wisconsin and Notre Dame, particularly for kids that arenāt 100% on business, based on the overall perception of prestige of the school.
But @Mwfan1921 may be on to something and there might be kids out there that are looking for IB/MBB and are using Kelley as a back-up to a LAC. In my mind they are so radically different that I canāt imagine a kid really liking both options, but lots of kids apply to keep options open. My kid does not want to study philosophy or religious studies (two of my degrees, and areas I enjoy); he wants hands on practical and specific business classes. So Jesuits and LACs were off the table for him.
I think the biggest issue is that IU is in Indiana. And lots of coastal kids may throw in an application, but then decide they donāt want to be in the middle of the country. So these kids arenāt deciding between midwestern Big 10s, they are looking at the UCs and CSs in the west and Boston/NYC/ACC schools in the east. To us those schools were different in structure/class requirements, but S24 doesnāt mind the midwest. And even more important, he doesnāt mind living in the midwest after college. Ohio State is a great school, and it places a large majority of business kids in Ohio. Thatās really great if you want to live in Ohio. IU is a great school and it places a large majority of kids in Indiana and Illinois, which is ok for us, but not for everyone!
And I know someone will pipe in and say ā¦ you can go anywhere after college nowadays. And thatās true, but not everyone wants to move to a new city away from their college friends, even if that city is āback homeā because the old high school friends may have also moved away to college or post-college. It can be tough to be the one moving back home after college if all the college friends are moving together to the big city near your college. Just something to think about!
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I absolutely agree with this (though I was shot down on another thread 
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I would also note at IU it takes awhile before you really start taking your core Major classes. My son is Accounting major there and is just getting into the higher level Accounting classes 2nd semester Junior year. This is partly due to the required iCore requirement classes taken 1st semester Junior year (which is very challenging as advertised). Other colleges may be different in this regard.
Absolutely agree with this take. We live in So Cal, originally from the Midwest, and my son wants to go to school in the Midwest. But not sure heāll want to remain there after college.
Totally agree with both! But for what itās worth, the two most popular destinations for Kelley graduates are Illinois/Chicago (40%) and New York/NYC (near 20%). Only one in ten graduating seniors will stay in-state after graduation.
https://careers.kelley.iu.edu/outcomes/
(Filter by āClass ofā near the top to account for post-Covid job placement)
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Thatās one thing we liked about Wisconsin, S24 would take most of his major classes before his jr year internship (and a lot of major classes by the end of soph year so that he has some knowledge going into interviews). Wisconsin pushes a lot of the gen eds to senior year. Which is bad if you want to explore as a freshman, but great for S24 because (a) he would have better registration and can get the exact classes he wants, (b) he will be a much more mature student and know how to handle if it is a class area in which he struggles, and (c) he will be less concerned about gen ed grades because hopefully he has a job lined up because he knew so much going into that jurior year internship.
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This is really interesting data - thanks for sharing! I would say 40% to Illinois is pretty high stat and 20% NY makes sense given the popularity of Investment Banking at IU. This likely reflects the employers that are represented through the Career Center.
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You waiting on WI decision too? We are. I think both IU and WI are excellent options, but my son slightly prefers WI. But we are going to IU for DA day next month and are excited to check out IU!
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Whoops, sorry meant to reply to the commenter above. Iām new 
Waiting on UW Madison, Illinois, and Maryland. All will release on the same day at the end of the month. S24 likes Kelley best. (Technically we are also waiting on MSU to announce who is in at business school. But itās hard to keep up the enthusiasm knowing they will release decisions in mid-Feb and Aprilā¦ April?!)
My D22 is at a small LAC and I see the amazing benefits of that small non-competitive setting (big endowment helps too). So class size (both graduating class and individual classes) makes me a bit nervous. But thatās a me issue. 
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Great responses for sure!
On 1/15 date significance Iām just talking about Kelley knowing its auto direct admit class as thatās deadline for IU generally EA. They already know it now, but they arenāt going to admit many if any prior to 1/15 on review. They will then calculate probable yield to determine remaining spots.
As for where others go as you all have noted - itās everywhere over the country not just the BIG10 schools. Just talking about high stat applicants here - One thing Kelley offers that most if not all top 20 B-schools do not is an automatic admit with GPA/SAT. For some that is dream school and others that is literal safety.
Top stat kids come in many forms. IU suffers from the University not being as high ranked as Kelley. This is an issue for some students and mostly their parents. Thereās some distance concerns. Thereās not a top notch football program on TV looking cool every fall weekend. Some are playing merit aid/admittance BINGO and like to say here is where Iāve been admitted and the aid when they have no intention of going to Kelley. And others want cheapest best business school and Kelley really shines there along with UNC and UT.
And those who apply to Kelley and are not high stat auto admit are also a really high yield compared to those that just fill out the app for the auto-admit. It just takes a lot longer in the calendar to get there.
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Any thoughts?
Chancing is a near impossible exercise as it entirely depends on 1. the pool overall with spots available and 2. candidates previously from your high school and how your scores rank with those.
Kelley is very stat heavy so TO doesnāt help. 3.84W like any GPA is just a number and depends on the weighting formula and rigor (why your high school history is important) and please donāt answer that specifically because itās still hard to know. There are plenty of situations where essays can and do matter and plenty where they do not, but chancing when they do is a guess. In stat focused schools like Kelley, essays play their part but not a starring role.
Kelley like all colleges want to admit you. Youāve given them reasons to do so. And your profile is your profile so it does not really matter your chances and you shouldnāt stress about it, glad you applied and hope it works out positively.
When you might hear? March.
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