<p>you gotta love Joe…</p>
<p>Gotta love him, for sure.</p>
<p>“It’s pretty surreal, man, my name being mentioned in a presidential campaign,”</p>
<p>“I didn’t think much of it the first time I heard it,” Wurzelbacher said, adding that he still thinks Obama’s plan would keep him from buying the business.</p>
<p>About McCain: “He’s got it right as far as I go.”</p>
<p>Even so, Wurzelbacher declined to say which candidate would get his vote on Nov. 4.</p>
<p>“That’s for me and a button to know,” he said.</p>
<p>“It’s a personal decision, and myself and the button I push will know the answer,”</p>
<p>“I hope I have a lot of jobs today. Yesterday I worked on a water main break for a gas station and that’s why I didn’t give any interviews. I was muddy and soaking wet,” he said.</p>
<p>So what did he make of the debate? In a video interview for his local Toledo Blade, Wurzelbacher conceded that “Obama is a damn good speaker” but he thinks his plans sound like “socialism”. He praised McCain for “doing better”.</p>
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<p>I’m not sure his vote is really between himself and the button. Not one for subtlety.</p>
<p>You do realize this is the oldest political debate in the country, don’t you? One side as never been consistently right since 1776, and they probably won’t be for a while.</p>
<p>People have to choose whether they want a progressive tax policy that favors the middle class or a flatter tax policy that favors the upper class. </p>
<p>Both are valid and have their benefits and detractions. For Joe, he is in the top 5% of income in the nation. I’m not sure he’s a big enough voting block to worry about.</p>
<p>Just to be clear, though, Obama’s stance would officially be called “Social Democracy”, not Socialism. His is a very European style of economic policy.</p>
<p>I heard that Joe and his boss aren’t even licensed plumbers lmao</p>
<p>Joe doesn’t have a plumber’s license. He’s a fake just like Palin.</p>
<p>I’ve heard that the media can ask this man that works 10-12 hour days for $40,000 a year about his ties with the Natural Law party but won’t ask Obama about his ties with the Socialist New Party.</p>
<p>Let’s get this straight. Obama comes to his turf. The guy asks Obama a question, a question that wasn’t Obama’s forte, and now the media’s willing to dig more dirt on a citizen then they would a Presidential nominee?</p>
<p>tsk tsk</p>
<p>I don’t see what shrieking about how Obama is member of a socialist party even matters when every Republican believes he’s next there to Stalin in the Pantheon of Socialist Deities.</p>
<p>???</p>
<p>Like I said, MSNBC has no qualms about asking Joe about his ties with the Natural Law party but they have to chummy up with Obama.</p>
<p>“I don’t see what shrieking about how Obama is member of a socialist party even matters”</p>
<p>???</p>
<p>Yup, don’t question a smooth liar. Just this recent debate, he was absolutely outrageous.</p>
<p>[FactCheck.org:</a> FactChecking Debate No. 3](<a href=“http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_3.html]FactCheck.org:”>http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_3.html)</p>
<p>Meanwhile, on the other side of the table, Obama wasn’t entirely forthcoming about his relationship with ACORN:</p>
<pre><code>Obama: The only involvement I’ve had with ACORN is, I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.
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<p>He did, but that wasn’t his only involvement. He also worked closely with ACORN’s Chicago office when he ran a Project Vote registration drive after law school, and Obama did some leadership training for Chicago ACORN. The Woods Fund, where Obama served as a board member, gave grants to ACORN’s Chicago branch; both organizations are concerned with disadvantaged populations in that city. And during the primaries of this election, Obama’s campaign paid upwards of $800,000 to the ACORN-affiliated Campaign Services Inc. for get-out-the-vote efforts (not voter registration). Those services were initially misrepresented on the campaign’s Federal Election Commission reports, an error that some find suspicious and others say is par for the course. ACORN’s Chicago office and CSI have not been under investigation.</p>
<p>For more on investigations of ACORN and registration fraud, and Obama’s involvement with the group, keep an eye on our home page. A longer article on ACORN is in the works.</p>
<p>Ugh</p>
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<p>He’s a maverick plumber.</p>
<p>Gotta give the guy props for reeling in 250k+ as a plumber. Baller stats.</p>
<p>^^
He actually doesn’t. According to his tax records, Joe the Plumber would get a tax break under Obama.</p>
<p>The point isn’t whether or not Joe himself gets a tax break, the point is that he’s disgusted that if in the future, he buys a business and generates that income, he’ll be mad because Obama wants to further tax him and then give tax cuts, oops, tax credits to many that don’t even pay taxes.</p>
<p>[Obama’s</a> 95% Illusion - WSJ.com](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html]Obama’s”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html)</p>
<p>[Obama:</a> Recession Could Delay End to Bush Tax Cuts - FOXNews.com Elections](<a href=“2024 Election Results, Latest News & Updates | Fox News Elections Center”>2024 Election Results, Latest News & Updates | Fox News Elections Center)</p>
<p>I mean, even Obama realizes that increasing taxes during tough times is bad, yet he’s still out on the stump, trumping up the fact that he’ll pay for these tax credits by spreading the wealth around…if the wealth is even there to be spread.</p>
<p>Obama’s plan is stupid. The relatively small percentage of people making 250,000 + clearly cannot afford to be taxed a little more in an effort to help the less fortunate. We all know 250,000 gets you nothing these days.</p>
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<p>In other words, the school geek wants to preserve the unfair social hierarchy in hopes that one day, he’ll wake up with a linebacker’s body and become the star of the football team.</p>
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<p>Is this sarcasm?</p>
<p>“In other words, the school geek wants to preserve the unfair social hierarchy in hopes that one day, he’ll wake up with a linebacker’s body and become the star of the football team.”</p>
<p>That’s funny, because both in your analogy and real life, those school geeks are known as libertarians.</p>
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<p>:) Why would you ever think that? McCain is using Joe the Plumber to represent the average middle class American, as if most of the country is pulling down 250,000 a year.</p>
<p>go obama!!</p>
<p>go obama!!</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>Let’s get the facts straight. Obama told Joe that if he were to step into that tax bracket, he would be taxed more so that his wealth could be spread around. Rob Paul to give to Peter. </p>
<p>Why punish Paul’s success when we could be creating success throughout? Why redistribute wealth and the successes that make wealth rather than create more opportunities for everyone?</p>
<p>Why “cut” taxes for 95% when 40% don’t even pay? That’s right, steal from the succesful and throw money at people that don’t even pay income taxes and call it a “cut”. Smells like classic welfare to me.</p>
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<p>“Hey nerd, you’re not ever going to be cool so stop sucking up to the jocks.”</p>
<p>That is essentially the modern Republican argument: average people should keep screwing each other over in favour of the wealthy in vain hopes that one day, perhaps a few generations later, they can enter into the elite class and look down upon those that used to be their neighbours. In other words, Republicans want the middle class to sell each other out. The uninformed and/or delusional continue to deny themselves good healthcare or sound infrastructure just so they can live on with the illusion that they can one day become Rockefeller.</p>
<p>Keep living in the spooky world where the Republicans are the monsters, buddy.</p>