Keeping Elders Safe (Driving, Finances, Fall Prevention, Etc)

So, we just had to have “the talk” with my 88-year-old mother. I was not looking forward to it. All I have to say is Thank God for my BIL who specializes in Parkinsons and Alzheimers. I don’t know how “normal” people do this. Between the 4 of us involved, we have 2 doctors and a financial expert.

It went so much better than expected because my BIL sets up these meetings for families all the time and knew exactly what to do and say. Plus, my mom respects him as a doctor, so she didn’t fight it. I was surprised that she was not defensive about taking a new driving test or letting us help with her finances.

Here are some of the things we addressed if anyone needs ideas:
Finances - We got her down to one credit card, and my husband will monitor it for theft. We are using the Apple card as it is the easiest to monitor. He will consolidate her bills where possible, keep track of her logins, and help her reconcile everything once a month. He will also go through her investments to make sure they are optimized, her estate is in order, and that she is spending down when she should to avoid excessive taxes.

Driving - This one was tough because there is no clear answer. My BIL took her for a drive, and although there wasn’t anything alarming, it wasn’t great either. Some of the issues were not hearing that her blinker had turned off when she was waiting to make a turn, turning her wheels too far in one direction when pulling into a parking spot, and a lot of new little dings on her car. She shifted her car into drive before putting on her seatbelt, and then didn’t know if it was turned on. Not knowing whether her car was running has been an issue a few times, and again, it was because she couldn’t hear it. For the time being, she will make sure to wear her hearing aids when she drives and always use her placard for a handicapped spot. She is going to take an AARP safe driving class and then take a driving exam at the RMV. We will deal with whatever the driving test indicates. Luckily, Lyft and Uber are easily accessible where she lives, and she has lots of friends that she goes to temple and out with on a regular basis.

Grocery Shopping - She has been going every two weeks to do a huge shopping and it’s too much for her to carry everything. We don’t want her to go more often because that’s more driving in crowded parking lots. I will go every two weeks to help her do a big shopping and put everything away. We are hoping she will agree to use a delivery service for the in between shopping, but I have a feeling she won’t as long as she has her license.

Fall Prevention - This was the big one. She has had some falls. We started with the Apple Watch, but that was a fail. Apparently, it’s not made for people who are under 5 feet tall. She also doesn’t fall with a lot of velocity. It’s more been that she’s bending down to lift something and falls over. I also have a concern that she will fall getting out of bed at night while she isn’t wearing it because it is charging, so we are looking into other solutions. My BIL and sister said that the medical alert systems are kind of the same thing. So, if she falls and can make a call either through her watch or the medical alert thing, then it’s fine, but if she’s knocked out, it’s a problem. We’re looking into other systems. My sister says there is a system that is about to be released that will scan the room and knows if someone falls.
We are getting her a 4-prong cane that she says she will use. It’s just another point of contact to make her steadier. She says that sometimes she doesn’t feel steady because her knee or ankle starts to give out. My sister checked her, and it’s not her knee or ankle, but her spinal stenosis, that is causing weakness. She is also going to schedule some PT sessions to teach her the best way to use the cane, and the best ways to get out of a chair, into and out of a car, carry things, etc.
We’ve tried to deal with rugs. URGH. My sister keeps rolling one up and putting it away, but my mother keeps taking it out. It is taped down. My sister and I trip over it every time we come, but my mother insists on having it. We do have traction tape on her stairs (we had moved everything downstairs and she moved it all back upstairs).
We are getting a grabber, as many falls happen when people are bending over and reaching for something.

Hearing Aids - This has been a big issue beyond driving. I think when people live by themselves, they get used to not wearing them. They can just turn the TV or radio up louder. However, anytime one of your senses is diminished, you are at a greater fall risk. Better hearing also reduces the rate of cognitive decline. She has agreed that she will put in her hearing aids every morning.

That’s all I can think of off the top of my head, but maybe it will help someone else dealing with this. I’m telling you, I wish I could clone my BIL and send him to anyone who needs to have this talk.

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We met with the geriatrician and she started planting the idea that driving requires one to function at 120%. If one starts declining, one should stop driving.

I will try to get H to wear hearing aids when he drives. It’s always a challenge to get him to wear them at all. One has to pick one’s battles.

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A friend got his mom a Tesla self driving car and she was DELIGHTED. Even the used ones are good. Takes almost all those worries away,

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BIL mentioned that they no longer call them “accidents” at the hospital, but “crashes” as accident makes it seem like an act of God rather than something that could have been avoided.

He also said that teens and seniors have the similar crash statistics. The difference is that teens will get better with more practice, but seniors will only continue to decline.

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This is just exactly my thought. We are so guarded with teens getting their license freedom - but we are afraid to put limitations on older drivers who also have dangerous “imperfect” skills??

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I don’t know if we are “afraid” as much as we can’t control them the way we can teens. Illinois requires driving exams for renewal over age 81. Other states require vision rescreening after a certain age. In many states, a driving exam can be required if a doctor, family member or police officer report concern.

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I want you to know I wasn’t just referring to your situation with your mother - but aging parents in general. :heart:

It sounds like you and your family covered a lot of issues with her in one family chat.

Perhaps multiple grabbers, so that one can be placed next to each location where she would otherwise have to bend over or reach for something.

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Tesla FSDS is still “Full Self Driving Supervised”, so the human driver must still be ready at all times to take over if it does something unsafe.

Also, generally, people have had much better experiences with Tesla FSDS on HW4 (Hardware 4) vehicles that have more powerful computers and better cameras than older HW3 vehicles. So someone buying a Tesla vehicle intending to use FSDS on it should check to make sure that it has HW4, not HW3 (or even older ones that do not do FSDS at all).

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No offense taken. I was using the proverbial ”we”.

These tips are only as good as the person who needs them uses them.

I’ve found that even when they agree, it’s the follow through that is difficult

I did get my mom to consolidate her bill paying but she passed away before we could get everything in place.

I told my husband at this point, if his mom would agree to a fall alert system, I’d be happy for that start. But so far it’s still a discussion

I know I feel like I’m being negative but having been around this block a couple of times, it’s difficult for me to be honest that it works.

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My state has no restrictions on driving based on age, but you can report an elderly parent to the state and they will require that person to be re evaluated (but they also tell the parent that you’ve turned them in).

Personally, if the driving is so suspect that I am buying a specific car for them to drive, I think they are nevertheless a danger to everyone else on the road and shouldn’t be driving at all.

The parenting parents thread has discussed driving and falls for years now. It is really really difficult to develop a workaround that is effective and equally difficult to convince most elders they need to stop driving. May we all remember that when it is our turn.

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Agree…it’s the use of safety things that is the issue. MIL lives in a great CCRC with every service imaginable. There are emergency pull cords in every room of her house. She never used them…even when needed. One time she drove both FIL and herself to the ED where they were both admitted to the hospital.

Her doctor sort of kicked the can down the road regarding driving. She would ask when she could drive again, and he would say they would evaluate this at her next visit. This went on for years. She is doesn’t ask anymore…full dementia and driving isn’t in the picture at all. I think her license has probably expired. There is her car in the garage (because it supposedly makes her feel better to have a car…). Battery is completely disconnected, and car keys are not at all in the house. It’s been that way for at least 8 years.

Fall prevention…there is 24/7 care but even that can’t prevent a fall…but at least someone is there IF she falls, and can act quickly.

Finances are handled by a family member with most payments done online remotely by the family member.

DHs family is very lucky they have the financial resources for 24/7 care. What do people do who want to remain in their homes if they don’t have the money for this care…which IS a safety thing.

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As I said, my BIL is really great at this. My mom actually generated a lot of the plan and it was all done with her input and approval. So we are not going to win the battle about stairs and a rug, but the other stuff I think will take. She actually seemed relieved. I think if my dad were still alive it would have been different and she would have been more stubborn about it, but I know she worries about these things herself as she is living on her own. Especially when the alternative would be to move in with me (I live an hour away in the sticks and she loves the city) or assisted living. I think it also helps that two of her kids are doctors that see a lot of elderly patients, so she can’t tell them their ideas are invalid.

I don’t lose a wink of sleep over things I can’t control, and keeping my parents safe is one of them. When my mother fell off a curb several years ago (not age related), we got her a Life Alert. Whether she uses it or not, I have no idea. My dad shouldn’t be driving, but even if his DL were cancelled/taken away, he’d still drive. I’ve posted elsewhere that my brother and I spent part of last summer getting him and his wife into AL after they experienced coincident health events that left them (temporarily?) unable to care for each other. After five months, they moved themselves back home. I don’t feel their decisions about their lives are my concern. I will point out where they are endangering themselves and offer to help, but if they want to do things their own way, that’s their decision. I just shrug and move on.

DH and his four siblings have taken the same approach with his parents even though his mom has dementia and his dad is showing signs. The sibs hired five-hour-a-day in-home care for them a couple of years ago, but MIL fired the help after a few months, and they won’t hear of hiring anyone else. Is this going to end badly? Yep. Do we worry about it? No. :woman_shrugging:

None of this has anything to do with love. We just understand that we can’t control a thing they do, so we keep in touch and visit, but we don’t lose any sleep over or interfere with their messy decline.

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Before I retired, part of what I found myself having to do was to be the bad guy for the family and tell the patient that the data indicated (spatial skills, reaction time, peripheral vision, judgment, problem-solving, etc) that they should not drive. There are also programs to evaluate driving, and some rehab facilities /OT also offer them.

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We are all cut from different cloth so to speak.

If I look at the title, I can say sure, if my elderly parent wants to spend or not spend their money, refuses to wear their safety alert necklace or keeps making trips down the tricky stairs to the basement…If I’ve told my opinion and reasoning why these things might not be a good idea and are insistent on their choice - if they are of a pretty sound mind, I have to let go and let them live (or die) with their choices.

But driving is entirely different. When you drive you make decisions - good or bad - that affect other people. Damaged cars, damaged lives, damaged confidence of other drivers, damaged property….all the things. It doesn’t matter if they are only driving a mile to the little town grocery store.

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My bil is also a doctor who deals with elderly patients. I would say that most doctors do.

He will try and give advice to his mother. Whether or not she’s willing to take his advice is up for debate. She’s the one who needs to buy in. Sometimes she will discuss an issue she is having. I will ask her if she knows anyone who could help with that?

When you won’t go to physical therapy but complain that your balance if bad, I don’t know what the solution is.

If your relative buys in, that is such a gift. One I hope to give my children. I can’t control the actions of my parents and in laws. Try as we might want to get them to be safe.

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My daughter is a COTA at a hospital and works a lot with patients, elderly and otherwise, with daily living activities before they are discharged.

Getting in and out of bed and on or off of chairs are skills we don’t think about until we can’t without assistance. She helped me during my surgery recovery with both (I couldn’t use my ab muscles or push with my arms).

If her insurance covers in-home OT, that’s a great place to start.

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One thing that is related – and might be considered a prerequisite for doing some of the things that the OP mentions – is to get your elderly parent to execute a general durable (i.e., a financial) power of attorney and also a healthcare power of attorney. (Whenever I prepare a Last Will and Testament for someone, I also try to get them to do powers of attorney as well). Of court, this presumes that the elderly parent is willing to execute such a document, and also legally competent to do so.

My late mother-in-law had executed both a financial and healthcare power of attorney that named my wife (both the eldest child, and conveniently we lived 3 blocks away from my mother-in-law) as the financial and healthcare attorney in fact. This proved to be useful for overseeing (and correcting as necessary) my mother-in-law’s financial transactions, and also in talking to her physicians about healthcare needs.

So if you are having conversations with parents, please discuss with them the preparation and execution of powers of attorney, if they haven’t already done so.

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