<p>i’d love evidence of that. knowing a few who’ve tried both, i’d kind of assume heroin to be more addictive. just, you know, based on what i’ve seen.</p>
<p>"The same study found that 32 percent of tobacco users had experienced substance dependence. Figures like that one are the basis for the claim that nicotine is “more addictive than heroin.” After all, cigarette smokers typically go through a pack or so a day, so theyre under the influence of nicotine every waking moment. Heroin users typically do not use their drug even once a day. "</p>
<p>from this source (which is fascinating): <a href=“http://www.reason.com/0306/fe.js.h.shtml[/url]”>http://www.reason.com/0306/fe.js.h.shtml</a></p>
<p>you guys missed MY point. especially hanna. what i said was that an equivalent response to unequal injuries would alienate the child and would prevent any meaningful discourse from occurring. parents may have the best intentions but no child is going to reason like hanna–because no honest person believes that you should punish a child for smoking as harshly as you would punish a child for doing heroin. i don’t understand why you would want to do that, either. to me, someone who does heroin has a lot more problems than the average smoker, although parents are justified in disciplining smoking children</p>
<p>^ bingo…</p>
<p>This might seem like an odd question, but can you legally keep bears as pets in the US?</p>
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<p>It’s not about punishment. It’s about modifying the behavior. They both cross a line into what cannot be tolerated in my house. The behavior has to stop immediately. If the same type of consequence eliminates both behaviors – and it does – then the same response is appropriate.</p>
<p>None of my high school friends’ parents even came close to responding properly. The only parent I know who demanded results was my former boss, and it worked like a charm, overnight.</p>
<p>I tried smoking my senior year of high school. (I just graduated.) When you first smoke, at least in my case, it gives you a buzz and energy. I’m not going to lie either - I thought it looked cool. But then I noticed that everyone who was picking up smoking in high school was either a redneck or a deadbeat druggie. I didn’t want to be either of those, or appear to be either of those. I didn’t have a hard time quitting at all, though sometimes when I am stressed I will think about smoking. Its also kind of tough to not smoke at parties and things like that because smoking gives you something to do with your hands, and it can be an ice breaker when you just meet someone - “Wanna go have a smoke?” I think part of it that many teenagers think they are invincible. They think if they quit after college it won’t affect their health. I felt like that until I really looked at the statistics and realized this was a stupid habit to pick up just because I was bored or wanted to fit in.</p>
<p>As for my parents, I’m horrible at hiding things. My parents smelled it on me and in my car, and my mom found cigarettes in my purse once. I admitted that I had smoked socially but often lied and said I let someone else smoke in my car or I was keeping someone’s cigarettes for them. I think they knew I was lying but they try to give me the benefit of the doubt most of the time. Since I was 18, and since my stepdad dips tobacco, they didn’t tell me I couldn’t, but my mom told me that she thought it made me appear trashy and unintellgent, and that made her sad for me. I think she knew I would come to my senses, and she trusted to me to be in charge of myself.</p>
<p>It’s unfortunate that kids would even try smoking nowadays with all of the knowledge that exists with irrefutable evidence of the health problems that result not to mention the cost associated with it but then many kids just seem unable to make good decisions in this area since they tend to not consider consequences.</p>
<p>Granted, certain movie stars have taken the stance that smoking is ‘cool’ again after a decades break and hollywood is irresponsible enough to cast them smoking in every movie - I guess for some shock value. The weaker-minded kids out there will try to emulate them. These same kids may view smoking as rebellious but they don’t stop to think they’re really rebelling against their own bodies.</p>
<p>Another point most kids that start probably don’t think about is the general inconvenience of it - once one becomes addicted, it’s a major hassle for them once they start working (at smoke-free workplaces), go to restaurants (smoke-free), fly on smoke-free flights, and become somewhat ostracized by the general population that doesn’t want to be around the smoke due to either the health factors (secondhand smoke can severely and immediately impact an asthmatic) or the disgust factor (it’s a filthy, smelly habit).</p>
<p>Parents need to be more forceful in preventing their kids from smoking. If the kids can manage to make it into their early 20s without smoking, then they’re likely to never smoke since by then they have a more developed ability to make reasonable choices and the ‘cool’ and ‘rebel’ factors will seem laughable by that time.</p>
<p>yeah at our school smoking isn’t considered cool. and the idea of smoking being “Rebellious” is stupid.</p>
<p>i dont smoke ciggerretes but i drink. My parents know i drink and they tell me to not do it to an excess, but i still get drunk and come home and they dont catch me. I also drink at dinner have the occasional beer, glass of wine, shot of vodka depending on the food. Some of my friends smoke and i dont think its a big deal if someone wants to smoke i dont give a **** its their own choice. I dont think smoking ciggeretes is even that bad of a thing and when it comes to drinking i dont think there is absolutely ANYTHING wrong with it. in my book it is absolutely acceptable and i hate when people make it out to be a bad thing.</p>
<p>Its not about smoking or drinking…its about control.</p>
<p>what control</p>
<p>Them controlling what you can or cannot do (i.e., the person who started the thread)</p>