LACs and cross-registering for courses at other colleges?

<p>Hey,</p>

<p>I would like to major in a quantitative field and would like to attend a liberal arts college. Now, I would be applying to more mid-sized research universities but not many of them offer aid to international students. </p>

<p>So, I was wondering if any of you knew of LACs who allow one to cross-register for courses, including graduate courses, at a nearby college/university.</p>

<p>Here’s what I’ve got so far:</p>

<ul>
<li>Amherst and the five college consortium; could take courses at UMass</li>
<li>Wellesley allows one to take courses at MIT</li>
<li>Bryn Mawr and UPenn </li>
<li>The Claremont colleges</li>
<li>Reed and Portland State (not certain on this one)</li>
</ul>

<p>I’ve tried searching but I couldn’t find anything. I knew of these ones beforehand.</p>

<p>Bryn Mawr is in a consortium with Haverford and Swarthmore. I believe that you can take courses at U Penn from any of the three, although it MAY be most convenient in terms of transportation from Swarthmore.</p>

<p>Wellesley also has some kind of arrangement with Brandeis and Olin. And Babson, I guess. Don’t know the transportation arrangements with them, but there is a free hourly bus to MIT.</p>

<p>And of course there is Barnard and Columbia.</p>

<p>Are you female?</p>

<p>I don’t think the Tri-Co consortium (Bryn Mawr/Haverford/Swarthmore) with UPenn includes graduate courses. At least it doesn’t for Swarthmore. You also have to prove that the equivalent course isn’t available at your home institution.</p>

<p>A member here, who was Bryn Mawr, took grad courses from UPenn’s math department. How far from UPenn is Swarthmore? Is it easily accessible?</p>

<p>And no, I’m a duuude. Dude. Such a funny word. I mentioned the women’s colleges because I thought it could be of interest to others in the community.</p>

<p>Worcester, Massachusetts has a consortium of 13 area schools. [Member</a> Institutions | Colleges of Worcester Consortium (COWC)](<a href=“College Admissions News”>College Admissions News)
So you could be a Holy Cross student and take classes at Clark University for example.
Be sure to read up on these agreements, often there are imposed limits on the number of courses you can take this way. Also, it is sometimes really inconvenient to do this on a regular basis due to the amount of time going between campuses and differences in academic calendars.</p>

<p>Are you sure that LAC’s don’t offer your major anyway?</p>

<p>Macalester is very international friendly and has cross registration with the University of St. Thomas, The University of St. Catherines, Augsberg and Hamline University.</p>

<p>As Beantown says, I’d be careful on this as a strategy. There are usually restrictions and limitations about what you can take. Plus travel time/calendar differences can make this difficult.</p>

<p>I know Rhodes (in Memphis) offers a consortium with a Fine Arts school in the area. Not sure if they have other consortium agreements but maybe you could do more research on your specifics?</p>

<p>To the OP: here is Swarthmore’s official Registrar page on the consortium, UPenn specifically. I can’t really speak to Haverford’s policies.</p>

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From: [Swarthmore</a> Registrar](<a href=“http://www.swarthmore.edu/Admin/registrar/page.phtml?sidebar=tricopenninfo&content=tricopennreg#penn]Swarthmore”>http://www.swarthmore.edu/Admin/registrar/page.phtml?sidebar=tricopenninfo&content=tricopennreg#penn)</p>

<p>Penn is easily enough accessible by train, but you need TIME (probably at least an hour each way for the commute, once you factor in imperfect match-ups between class schedules and the hourly train schedule). The people I know who have made it work, have taken 2 classes at Penn in the same semester or had other commitments in Philly/fewer on-campus commitments, which made it practicable for them to stay for a long period of time once they got into the city.</p>

<p>Any other colleges? Does anyone know if St. Olaf or Vassar has such agreements? If I was going to major in solely a non-science field, Vassar would have been perfect. I’ve taken a look at their physics department and it would appear that most of the profs research interests are fairly centered in a few areas. So yeah, if there were cross-enrollment opportunities, that would be awesome.</p>

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<p>Just to clarify here, because many international students don’t know what LACs are - liberal arts colleges (LACS) offer quantitative majors just like universities, though with less breadth and depth because they are smaller and they don’t have grad level courses available since they don’t have grad students. And many of those colleges offer 3/2 programs for engineering, where you spend 3 years at the LAC and then, if you have the necessary GPA, can transfer to a partner university for the last two years. (Check how the financial aid works if you go this route!). Even if you don’t want a 3/2, you aren’t likely to run out of courses you want to take at the undergrad level. And many LAC quant majors go on to grad school, so that’s not a barrier either, although again, the research interests of the faculty will give you less to choose from and may be less cutting edge - the nature of a smaller school. But of course, there are other benefits to a LAC which you probably are already aware of so I won’t bother listing them here.</p>

<p>St. Olaf and Carleton (another LAC) have some sort of agreement with each other.</p>

<p>One thing to be aware of with cross registration is that differences in campus calendars may make things less convenient.</p>

<p>Is physics the major you are most interested in?</p>

<p>Hey M’s Mom,</p>

<p>Thank you for the detailed response! :-)</p>

<p>Yes, that could most definitely work. Just being admitted into any LAC would be amazing; it’d make for a much better educational experience that I could get anywhere. So, if it comes down to me getting into any given school, I’ll attend. Since I’ll be applying to a few different colleges anyway, I figured I could apply to some which had cross-registration agreements.</p>

<p>UCB, yeah. I’ll probably major in physics although it’s more applied fields that I’d like to go in later on. Earth and planetary sciences, for instance. I could definitely change my mind but a physics degree is one I could potentially make flexible enough to go grad school in areas as far ranging as theoretical high energy to computational neuroscience. (of course, one would have to take some additional courses to that but the gist of it is that it’s more flexible than say, a microbiology degree)</p>

<p>I’m also really into history, philosophy and literature. Not only do I have a better shot at getting into one of the lower ranked LACs (I really don’t care about rankings but those are indeed less selective), but I’d prefer an LAC over a university because I just don’t like lectures.</p>

<p>Are there any places you guys can think of? I know of lots of colleges; I’ve read through the forums here and loads of other webpages for a few hours every day for the past year (:O) or so…and there’s still lots and lots of things I’m not familiar with.</p>

<p>Just to clarify on the Quaker Consortium (Bryn Mawr-Haverford-Swarthmore-Penn): Bryn Mawr and Haverford are about a mile apart, and they have a completely integrated course registration system, so when you go to register for Bryn Mawr classes the same system also shows you Haverford classes and it’s exactly the same simple keystrokes that allow you to register for classes on either campus. There’s no limit on how many classes you can take on the other campus, and you can even take your major at the other school, even if your own school also offers it. In some areas the schools specialize; so, for example, theater is at Bryn Mawr and music is at Haverford. In some disciplines the faculty at the two schools coordinate curricular offerings to eliminate duplication and to maximize course availability. They also stagger class starting times to allow for transit between the two campuses; on one campus classes start on the hour and at the other campus on the half hour. Your student i.d. at one school will even buy you meals at the other school, and many extracurriculars are joint (“BiCo”). I would say most students at either of these two schools end up taking some classes at the other school, though not necessarily every semester. It’s all pretty seamless, almost more like two halves of a single school than separate schools.</p>

<p>Bryn Mawr and Haverford students can also take classes at Swarthmore and vice versa, but there’s less of that because it’s a longer commute, about 25 minutes or so. There’s a shuttle, but it eats up a lot of time getting back and forth. Still, some students every semester decide it’s worth it, usually because there’s a class on the other campus that they can’t get on their home campus, or sometimes because they want to take a class with a particular professor. There’s a little more paperwork involved for Haverford or Bryn Mawr students registering for classes at Swarthmore (and I assume vice versa), but ultimately it gets done, and again there’s no cap on the number of classes you can take. Not the same dining hall privileges, either. This somewhat looser affiliation is sometimes known as the 'TriCo."</p>

<p>I believe Haverford and Bryn Mawr have the same policy with respect to taking classes at Penn, which is that Haverford/Bryn Mawr students can take any class at Penn that is not offered in the BiCo. I don’t think there’s a numerical limit. Only a few Haverford and Bryn Mawr students avail themselves of this option. It’s about a 20-minute train ride from either Bryn Mawr or Haverford (each has its own station) to 30th Street Station, Philadelphia’s main train station; from there it’s about a 10 or 15 minute walk, depending where you’re going on Penn’s campus. Because the trains only run about once an hour except during morning and evening rush, it requires careful coordination of class schedules to fit in a class at Penn. In a typical semester probably only a handful of Haverford and Bryn Mawr students are taking classes at Penn, but in some majors advanced classes will be available at Penn that aren’t available at the BiCo, and Penn offers classes in some disciplines that just aren’t offered at the LACs (including a wider variety of foreign languages). I believe it’s even rarer for Penn students to take classes at Haverford or Bryn Mawr.</p>

<p>In investigating these consortia, I think it’s important to get clarity on how many students actually avail themselves of these opportunities. If the number is small, there’s usually a reason for it, and you want to know what that reason is. In the case of Bryn Mawr and Haverford, there are thousands of cross-registrations every year. Bryn Mawr/Haverford-Swarthmore, less so; Bryn Mawr/Haverford-Penn, even less. My sense is it doesn’t really happen all that much within the 5-college consortium in Western Mass, either, except possibly Amherst-UMass because they’re in the same town just a few blocks apart.</p>

<p>What kind of price limit are you working with? There are some LACs whose list price is considerably less than others (e.g. University of Minnesota - Morris at $23,000 per year).</p>

<p>Bclintonk: thanks for posting. I’ll make sure to look into how the arrangements actually work when considering colleges to apply to. That said, Bryn Mawr isn’t a college I can look at (gender issues…:P) and Haverford only funds ~2 international students every year. I don’t think I’d be that guy. ;)</p>

<p>Ucb, I’ve bumbed an appropriate thread.</p>

<p>The most user-friendly consortium of colleges in the United States has got to be the 5 college consortium of the Claremont colleges-- Pomona, Claremont McKenna, Harvey Mudd, Scripps and Pitzer.
Cross registration is very easy and the colleges are all extremely close to one another. No other college consortium comes close in regards to convenience.</p>

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<p>When D1 and I visited the Claremont Colleges about 3 years ago, we were surprised at how many restrictions there were on cross-registration at these colleges. If I recall correctly, students at Pomona said there were no restrictions on how many classes they could take at the other colleges, but they said almost no one did because Pomona students were convinced it was better than the other colleges. At some of the other colleges, students were restricted to taking one class per semester outside their own college, and it required bureaucratic approval. It didn’t strike us as a particularly well-functioning consortium, despite the physical proximity of the schools.</p>

<p>Haverford-Bryn Mawr is the most seamless I’ve seen.</p>