<p>great point stevema! also i think those of us that have been on here for years…forget that alot of people are just arriving…we may have heard of a school because we have seen it posted or discussed many times…the “newbies” are just like we were a few years ago :)</p>
<p>I think I misunderstood the intent of the thread, too. There are threads for schools that give great merit aid, and top students can come up with some really great financial packages almost anywhere. But now I’m wondering if this thread is to help find schools where the actual COA is significantly “less expensive.” Meaning - less than $60K? $50K? $40K</p>
<p>Maybe someone who has been paying attention could group the schools already mentioned in to COAs of teens, twenties, thirties, etc., regardless of scholarships. That could be very helpful to people looking to balance their lists based on cost.</p>
<p>Please put Adelphi University in the “under $40K” range. They are extremely committed to keep their COA low while providing an excellent education. Number of undergrads is about 5,000.</p>
<p>Cooper Union.</p>
<p>Someone mentioned it, but by these rules I would draw attention again to Western Washington University total OOS COA = $30,793 and OOS tuition = $16,815. This is the schools where the in-state LAC price point refugees go. Meaning, those higher stats kids with stars in their eyes who were admitted to top drawer east coast LACs, but had sticker shock and decided to stay home. We know quite a few in this category and could be there ourselves depending on how packages look a month from now. The location is beautiful, the academics are sound and they offer merit scholarships for OOS students - not guaranteed, but available.</p>
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<p>Yes. The target was $30,000 to $35,000 or less, but the particular search engine allowed searching only by tuition, so I used $20,000 or less tuition.</p>
<p>The idea came up from seeing posts by students and parents for whom the expected $50,000 to $60,000 cost of attendance was unaffordable, income was too high to get enough financial aid except possibly at super-reach schools, and big merit was likewise a reach, but who wanted a few more choices of schools with more motivated fellow students (the reason for the SAT screen, but it would have been better if a 75th percentile screen were offered in addition to or instead of a 25th percentile screen) besides the obvious in-state public schools.</p>
<p>OK, then, WWU definitely falls into this category and offers guaranteed honors housing (according to literature anyway) for students admitted “with highest honors” which I believe is top 5% of admitted class. As a whole, anecdotally from many people we know who attend, it passes the sniff test of a critical mass of motivated students. They also have Fairhaven College associated with Western which is the public alternative for those who dream of schools like Hampshire, Marlboro and Bennington but have nightmares about the sticker price.</p>
<p>ucbalumnus…from 2011 common data… 21-27 with average 24.3 for uab ( 10% are 30-36)
Percent of first-time, first-year (freshman) students with scores in each range:
25th percentile
75th percentile
ACT Composite
21
27</p>
<p>Wow, I had no idea Berkeley, Michigan, UVA and Texas charged so much out of state. The OOS state schools we researched (UConn and Clemson, among others) were in the mid 30’s.</p>
<p>BTW I believe Clemson is 40% OOS. Unusually high for a flagship (I’d say SC has 2 Flagships: USC - Columbia, and Clemson). OOS cost of attendance is $37k. 25th% for SAT is 1160 for CR & M.</p>
<p>The list is probably longer if you take into consideration the colleges that give automatic scholarships for GPA/Test Scores right on their websites.</p>
<p>^ I had a few of those bookmarked last time around, but I’d love to have a thread for those schools with definitive scholarships on their websites… not “students with this usually get this,” but guaranteed merit money or merit money calculators. Anyone know how I start that with the ability to use an updateable list?</p>
<p>Ole Miss - excellent guaranteed merit for OOS + outstanding small programs including honors college, international studies, Chinese flagship, public policy etc. With ACT 30 or equivalent SAT, free tuition with 32 housing is added, NMF is even better.</p>
<p>For engineering majors, you might want to check out Olin College:</p>
<p><a href=“http://link.olin.edu/docs/Notification%20of%20Costs%202010-11_Class%20of%202011%20&%202012.pdf[/url]”>http://link.olin.edu/docs/Notification%20of%20Costs%202010-11_Class%20of%202011%20&%202012.pdf</a></p>
<p>I believe the University of Tampa has a sticker price of 33,000 (including R&B).</p>
<p>University of Minnesota- Morris (hidden gem)
Bemidji State University
Truman State (as already mentioned)
Alfred U (NY)
The Evergreen State
Warren Wilson
Flagler (already mentioned, but hidden gem)
Lenoir Rhyne
Mass College of Liberal Arts
Sonoma State
SUNY’s
University of Montevallo
Georgia College
U Mary Washington
Keene State (NH)</p>
<p>I’d highly recommend the COPLAC (Council of Public Liberal Arts Colleges)</p>
<p>@ saintfan or anyone else in the know about Western Washington U:
what is the perception of Fairhaven? What type of student would their format work well for?
Also what is the regional perception of Western’s business school? Is it considered vastly inferior to UW’s Foster?</p>
<p>Ucb, the search you did doesn’t show schools that only report ACT scores and don’t report SAT scores at all. Unfortunately the granularity isn’t there to search by an ACT equivalent to 500/500 SAT. Two of the UWisc system schools, La Crosse and Eau Claire, would be on the search results if it was possible to search on a 22 ACT. Don’t know how many other schools in the midwest and south only report the ACT.</p>
<p>With the understanding that D is not interested in business, so my knowledge is limited I’ll tell you what I do know and impressions . . . Foster is very hard to get in to. It is the name brand school in the area. They do admit some students straight to Foster form HS and in our experience these have been very high stats IB, DECA, etc. kids who applied to Penn etc. but did not get in. Business school at Western appears to be practical, serviceable, vocational business degree. Again, this is from looking at web site but I do not have hiring experience etc. I can’t imagine that a student would pick Western if they could get in to Foster, though. On the flip side, in this area Foster would be a boost but Western would not elicit disdain. Maybe there are some hiring managers around on the thread who could say. Fairhaven is the design your own major, former commune portion of Western. I would say that it is perfect for a student who is drawn to that ethos but wants (or parent wants) more options available for traditional offerings and majors. Our neighbor who is at Western/Fairhaven and loves it originally thought that Hampshire and Marlboro were her dream schools.</p>
<p>Again, take the business impressions as just that - I do not have direct experience with the B School at Western (BIL is Foster grad, though).</p>
<p>S3 graduated from App State. He had a great experience there and got a job as research analyst at a consulting firm. The young woman hired at the same time as him has a degree from Princeton. We joke that we saved $120K!</p>
<p>Seriously, it has lots to recommend it but it is isolated. There is no shuttle or bus service to the airport in Charlotte. Thanksgiving of his freshman year, he thought he had a ride arranged with friends to the airport but it fell through. I scrambled to find a limo service and he shared a ride with two girls in their limo although he ended up at the airport 6 hours before his flight. Needless to say, we let him take a car back after Christmas break.</p>
<p>annoyingdad–I thought the same thing about the ACT. Any midwest school is going to have more accurate numbers if you search on an ACT score. I agree with Eau Claire and LaCrosse. Eau Claire especially for anyone wanting to go into music (easily up there with St. Olaf and Luther for it’s music program) and LaCrosse for anyone thinking about physical therapy or athletic training.</p>
<p>CJaneRead, WWU is discussed in this thread, too. Just pull up the thread and then search within the thread:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/907349-western-schools-3-0-3-3-kid-5.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/907349-western-schools-3-0-3-3-kid-5.html</a></p>
<p>Also, you might want to look at schools where the sticker price is in the upper 30s, BUT nearly everyone gets 9-12,000 in merit aid! There are such schools that have charts posted online. Queens University of Charlotte is one example. Tuition, R&B is about 37,000, but if you have a 3.0 and an ACT of 21, you are going to receive a merit scholarship of 9,000 per year for 4 years. This would mean that attending would cost 28,000 per year prior to financial aid or other scholarships. With a bit higher stats, one would be offered 12,000/year in merit aid.</p>
<p><a href=“Admissions and Aid | Queens University of Charlotte”>Admissions and Aid | Queens University of Charlotte;
<p><a href=“http://www.queens.edu/Documents/Admissions/Scholarships%20and%20Financial%20Aid/UniversityScholarsGrid.pdf[/url]”>http://www.queens.edu/Documents/Admissions/Scholarships%20and%20Financial%20Aid/UniversityScholarsGrid.pdf</a></p>
<p>I know that Marist used to have a similar chart online. I did not see it last time that I checked (a couple of years ago). </p>
<p>I believe that U of Tampa also has a chart of stats and merit awards, or at least a description.
Here it is:
<a href=“http://www.ut.edu/financialaid/scholarshipsandgrants/[/url]”>http://www.ut.edu/financialaid/scholarshipsandgrants/</a></p>