Liberalism or Gliberalism on Campus?

<p>Liberalism or Gliberalism on Campus?</p>

<p>“No one benefits more from the freedoms that the military defends than academics, who use the freedoms of expression more liberally than the average American. It seems particularly reprehensible for us to free ride as completely as we do.”

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<p>Ms. Wisse is the Martin Peretz Professor of Yiddish Literature and a professor of comparative literature at Harvard. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009589[/url]”>http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009589&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Any opinions on ROTC military training on Campus?</p>

<p>No one benefits more from the freedoms that academics defend than the military, where freedom of expression is highly and increasingly restricted.</p>

<p>I don’t know, there may be some truth in the second clause of your rather convoluted sentence, freedom of expression is by practice and practicality historically and institutionally restricted in all militaries; no surprise there, but I am not at all clear on the validity or significance of your first clause:

…no one, eh?</p>

<p>I would be tempted to say that no one benefits more from the freedoms that academics defend than <em>academics.</em>
-Sounds like win/win for academics.</p>

<p>-And short shrift for soldiers.</p>

<p>Without freedom of expression exercised and defended by those who exercise it, we’d look more and more like Sparta. As I see it, academics are protecting and defending our way of life.</p>

<p>…or as a particularly spoiled and self-obsessed Pollyanna, as the case may be.</p>

<p>LOL. Good one, Mini. I almost thought you were serious at first.</p>

<p>Well, if the topic of the thread is whether ROTC programs should be allowed on all campuses, I’m basically for that, while recognizing that each school has the right to make its own decisions. I don’t think we should deny our students any opportunity or any scholarship.</p>

<p>I find the written piece itself, however, full of contradictions, misstatements, and unintended irony (if I can ever figure out exactly what “irony” means.)</p>

<p>The piece starts off with a quote from WWI about a “citizen army.” I expect Ms. Wisse doesn’t know enough history to realize that the US conception of a standing army changed dramatically after WWII and led to Eisenhower’s famous “military industrial complex” warning. To use this quote to make her point is to use this quote to weaken her point if one considers that on-campus military training programs were once, essentially, militia training and not training for a professional, standing army.</p>

<p>She also says that “Democracies are notoriously–and commendably–reluctant to resort to military action.” They are? You mean the democratic Athenians didn’t attack Melos, kill every male old enough to bear arms, and enslave the women and children? The Athenians didn’t attack Egypt? They didn’t attack Syracuse? They didn’t play merry hell up and down the coastline of Greece, Thrace, and Ionia? What about the Romans? Their Republic had pretty widespread suffrage. Has there ever been a more warlike state? How many years has the United States failed to have troops either attacking or occupying a territory that is not part of the US? The British and French were aggressive colonialist powers long after they had become democracies (not that there has been a pure democracy in a long time). Were the colonial wars not wars?</p>

<p>Here’s another odd quote: “ …which means that almost every sector of society joined the debate over how best to respond to the aggression against us. </p>

<p>The elite universities alone kept silent. They did not undertake an inquiry into the reliability and adequacy of programs in Islamic and Middle East Studies, much less encourage those who “do well” academically to volunteer in the national defense”</p>

<p>“Almost every sector of society joined the debate over how best to respond to the aggression against us.” Now that’s a pretty sweeping statement. What would a “sector of society” be, exactly, and how did they manage to “join in the debate”? Then, the accusation that “elite universities alone kept silent.” Alone? Silent? They did? I seem to recall numerous blogs, op eds, letters to the editor, etc. in both mainstream and trade publications and journals. In fact, the way I remember it, there was a virtual torrent of words from the academic sector, much of it from faculty of “elite universities.” </p>

<p>Why and how would a university go about undertaking “an inquiry into the reliability and adequacy of programs in Islamic and Middle Eastern Studies”? Would a course on Islam change because of 9/11? Would the history of the ME change? What, exactly, is “reliability” in this context? Maybe they should have taken a hard look at the “reliability and adequacy” of Yiddish Literature after one of the events involving Israel? Really, I have no idea what this even means.</p>

<p>Here’s a gut buster: “Harvard professor of economics Gregory Mankiw writes, “No one benefits more from the freedoms that the military defends than academics, who use the freedoms of expression more liberally than the average American. It seems particularly reprehensible for us to free ride as completely as we do.”</p>

<p>In order to make this as funny to you as to me, you need to know a bit about the role of economics professors on most campuses. In most inter-departmental meetings, you find these guys (they’re mostly guys) making arguments about how all behavior is driven by the profit motive and how acting in one’s own self-interest is what we should expect and even encourage. And here you have an economist urging … gasp … choke … self-sacrifice!!! Acting in a way that’s not in one’s self-interest?</p>

<p>Then, Ms. Wisse ascribes this aversion to the military to liberalism. Hmm. Of the conservatives in the White House and Congress, how many have either been to war or have children who are in one of the armed services? I would say that aversion to the military among advantaged families is a widespread phenomenon.</p>

<p>Ms. Wisse fails to understand a few things. First, the military does not have unlimited room. If there were sudden influx of recruits because we in the faculty suddenly started to talk it up (and that’s a pretty laughable conclusion in itself), the services would simply turn away less-well-educated kids who have vastly fewer prospects than the average kid at Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. So, the US ends up training a Harvard kid to repair radar for two years, after which she goes on to an investment banking firm, never to use those skills again. The less privileged kid could leverage those skills into a military service career or into a job in electronics in the private sector.</p>

<p>Secondly, the US military is no longer designed to accommodate large numbers of semi-trained individuals. The country has clearly switched to the 19th century British model of having a small, highly professional army that benefits mightily from control of the other dimensions of warfare. For the English, this dimension was the sea. For the US, it’s still the sea but, more importantly, the air. The US Army depends heavily on C3I technology as a force multiplier, and on smart weapons dropped from the sky to so degrade an opponent’s army that it is easy meat for the best equipped and trained, but relatively small, force in the world. Our generals don’t want massive forces, the President hasn’t asked for them, and Congress hasn’t funded them. </p>

<p>Once again, I’m for having ROTC on campuses. It’s another career and scholarship opportunity. But I find Ms. Wisse’s editorial unconvincing.</p>

<p>Damn right it should be. When you are getting government money, you damn right will allow government recruiters to come. I love it when they have terrorists speak at rallies to swoon young moonbats, but an Army recruiter is frowned upon.</p>

<p>“A nation that draws too great a distinction between scholars and its warriors has its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools.”</p>

<p>Thucydides; about 420 B.C.</p>

<p>WPSON2010:</p>

<p>Please recall that Thucydides lived in an era when Greek phalanxes were amateur armies raised from among the general citizenry and equipped to the best of each citizen’s means. Thucydides was thinking of the example of people like Socrates and Aristophanes (among many others) who did their time in both intellectual and military pursuits.</p>

<p>For Thucydides, any citizen who didn’t fight in his city-state’s phalanx or limited cavalry was a coward unless he was visibly disabled. This makes sense, since it was a citizen’s duty to fight, and the negative outcome of losing was often rape, pillage, conflagration, mass murder, and other horrific consequences.</p>

<p>The implication that someone who doesn’t join the small US armed services these days is a “coward” is about the same as calling just about every male thoughout the history of organized states a “coward.” Armies are expensive and, historically, have been small relative to the entire population. Only in the post-Napoleonic era have we become used to massive armies of half-trained conscripts. The US has shifted this paradigm back to a small-but-lethal army, but this option is available only to very wealthy nations because of the advanced equipment and training costs it takes to make this model work.</p>

<p>The idea that the modern officer who is not a scholar is a “fool” is also misleading. Modern officers are professionals. I’d be willing to be that most of them have above average intelligence, and are not “fools.”</p>

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Certainly this is a nice perk to those who will dedicate themselves to the defense of their, and our, country; I do not, however, think it to be the best or only reason to have a vibrant ROTC on campus–however nice it is to offer more scholarship opportunities at Harvard etc, there is something to be said for the best and the brightest dedicating themselves to the cause of freedom in America.</p>

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<p>The “cause of freedom” is not served by those who drive the economic engines that pay for the equipment the military uses? I have to say that, when someone uses catch phrases like “cause of freedom,” I become immediately suspicious. It’s a bit like “Hey, Hey, LBJ. How many kids have you killed today?” Turn on the phrase and turn off the brain.</p>

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<p>Well, let’s extend this principle, shall we? It would appear that you believe that taking government money means that the government has the right to dictate to you what you can and can’t do? Correct?</p>

<p>So, to your way of thinking, if I accept Social Security, shouldn’t the government have the right to tell me how to run my household in every particular? If I have a business that performs services for a government entity, shouldn’t that government entity have the right to tell me how to run my life?</p>

<p>DPX,</p>

<p>However unfortunate as it may be, many people are wooed into the military first by the promise of the benefits.</p>

<p>I won’t lie: I’ve considered it. I’m not too keen on the idea of being shipped off to Iraq, but the job opportunities and benefits after doing OCS or something for us old farts are incredible. </p>

<p>To that end, I can’t damn those who do ROTC for the financial support and promise of future benefits.</p>

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<p>Not unlike “Military Industial Complex,” I suppose.</p>

<p>…if only I had a dollar everytime this non-specific left-leaning bromide is leaned on I could pay-off my college debt, kick-off my heels and fly the perfumed-blue skies of the Jet-set.</p>

<p>DPX:</p>

<p>Dwight David Eisenhower was “left-leaning”??? Could you give me a reference for his Marxist views?</p>

<p>Dorothy_Parker, the students currently at Harvard are allowed to join the ROTC program at MIT. It’s not on campus, of course, but it is very close, and as I understand it, there are a number of Harvard, Wellesley, and Tufts students in the MIT ROTC program (AFROTC site [here[/url</a>], Army ROTC site [url=<a href=“MIT Army ROTC”>MIT Army ROTC]here[/url</a>], and Naval ROTC site [url=<a href=“http://web.mit.edu/navyrotc/]here[/url]”>http://web.mit.edu/navyrotc/]here](<a href=“http://web.mit.edu/afrotc/www/]here[/url”>New Det365 URL)</a>).</p>

<p>Dorothy, you have such a familiar voice. Have we met before? ;)</p>

<p>Yeah, Allmusic, if it’s not the same writer, it’s a pretty impressive impression.</p>

<p>No, Eisenhower, as you know, was a centrist Republican. He had an interesting piece of advice for pol’s in the 50’s.</p>

<p>However, at this point this witless canard is the journalistic/academic/talking-point equivalent of “hey, hey, ho, ho __________ [insert grievance] has got to go” and “Speaking TRUTH to power”; generally indicative of the low watt thinking of the befuddled and aggrieved-dogmatist.</p>

<p>Perhaps not always…even a genius tires from time to time.</p>

<p>Don’t want to be a kill-joy or rain on the parade, just though that it was an analogue to your problem with “cause of freedom”.</p>