Life in Retirement - We've made it! Now what? (No investment discussions permitted)

Throw in widowhood. I’ve noticed that couples will happily accept my dinner invitations, but it doesn’t happen in the other direction — especially on weekends.

In November, I’ve planned one Saturday night dinner with two couples (so 5 total) at my house. I’m cooking. Also, one dinner out on a Tuesday — with DH’s care helper and my niece. And also a Thursday dinner for 4, with me inviting three friends to my house.

I’ve been in the food industry and people know I care a lot about food…. I like friends, too.

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We try hard to include our single friends—losing a spouse is hard enough, so much tougher for them to lose their friends too!

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Somebody may have already said this, but I think lots of people are happy to go out or be invited in, but not so many actually do the inviting.

Almost always people will meet up with us when I call, unless they have something already going on, are sick or whatever.

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@VeryHappy, we entertained a lot pre-Covid. We still do but less so. After a serious stint with lots of dinners one night after another, ShawWife said “No more for a while.” Then I had my surgery. People did come over but they brought food. Recently, we’ve had a few people over. @1214mom, we do have some friends who rarely cook and are happy to invite us to join them eating out. It is interesting that we pay for all the food when we invite them and we split it when we go out (not quite reciprocal) — except for one friend who is adamant that they pay when we go out. From a cost perspective, I don’t care, but there is something missing in the reciprocity.

@Mom22039, ShawWife is very sensitive to the widows (and single women) but she often invites couples. We do have a one widow over for various things – she is a part of ShawWife’s artistic life and while a bit high strung (bipolar, I think) but is a very generous and giving soul and when she’s on, she’s a great person to have around. We call one widow every time we go to Costco because to see if she wants me to pick up rotisserie chicken (which she loves) but we don’t often have her over for dinner. Another has just become very grumpy and self-centered. She was always very judgmental but is very bright and was interesting but the conversations have just devolved and ShawWife no longer wants to engage with her.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, we know no single men. One woman – an extraordinarily accomplished artist who creates major pieces all over the world – lost her husband. We saw her at a dinner and she asked if we knew any single men. Turns out that I had met a former student for coffee when I was in NY a few months earlier and he was going through a difficult divorce, so I figured he was single. He is a great guy – very bright and genuinely sweet – and has a great life – cosmopolitan as he grew up in Vienna, former CEO of a biotech company, did/does private equity, on the board of one our country’s major universities and a few companies, has a couple of very nice houses etc. I emailed him shortly thereafter to ask if he’d be interested and he already had a GF. They visited us recently. She’s very nice and holds her own with him – she is a professor at an Ivy League university and probably 15 years younger (maybe more). But, he went off the market very quickly.

Thanksgiving is interesting. I don’t think I mentioned this but if I did, I apologize. ShawWife is largely incredibly generous. But she had two shows to complete the work for (now done). One later this month and one at a museum in another city that accelerated the show date from April to February and needed all her work and lots of info for labels etc. several months sooner than anticipated. She was just getting over taking care of me post-surgery. ShawD, who is an outstanding cook, volunteered to host Thanksgiving. I thought it was because she wanted to show off her newly renovated kitchen, but she is a medical director of two clinics, is finishing a degree in psychiatric mental health which requires her to shadow practitioners in distant parts of the greater metropolitan area, and has a very busy social life. She seemed pretty overwhelmed. Turns out that she was volunteering because she thought ShawWife was overwhelmed.

One of my sisters called to ask if we would be willing to host Thanksgiving (my mother and aunt always did this) for her and her daughter and new husband. (The other sister lives farther away and has plans). My sister and her husband are the guests from hell. They never help with anything – they don’t clear plates, load the dishwasher, don’t bring much that they have cooked. But, our niece and husband are orthodox and we don’t keep kosher so my sister would happily instruct ShawWife and me on how to create a dinner that the niece and husband (who are great and helpful) could eat. This would involve mostly going into the center of the city to buy meals from a kosher caterer and probably using paper plates. She, of course, didn’t volunteer to help, just instruct us. After some discussion, ShawWife just said, “I would do it for almost anyone but this year, not for them. I just don’t have the energy.”

We will host just ShawD and her partner. ShawSon and wife will stay on the West Coast. We’ll take a trip to see them in Dec or Jan, I think.

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I totally understand why you don’t want to host this year. And I understand many people feel the way you do. But for me, the best guests don’t try to clear plates or load the dishwasher (stay out of my kitchen please!) or bring stuff when I like to set the menu. lol.

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We are happy to do it all when it is just another couple. If it is 8 to 12 people, which it would be, we want helpful people.

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A couple of notes on socializing. I am the one who always makes the plans. Has been true for all of my friend groups over the years. However, we do easy things - meet in a restaurant, go to a presentation, go out for brunch, etc. So despite me being the planner, I am never the host (honestly we very really socialize at anybody’s home- it is typically an evening or day out somewhere). Most of our socializing is the ladies getting together (so no issue about singles). When we did host parties (hosted a holiday party for many, many years), we just included everybody - spouse or no spouse, bring the kids, drop in for as long as you are able, etc.

I am helping today and tomorrow at the library for a program where third graders come and learn about the town’s history. I did it last year. Brought me back to the old days - helping with scout, school, and library events for my daughter and her friends.

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Most Fridays go to beer/dinner. Sometimes same place, sometimes a brewpub and then drive to a restaurant. My husband has been organizing this via text message to old coworkers (some who were also my coworkers decades ago) for almost 10 years. In retirement we start at 4pm to beat the crowds. Typically we have very regular 4 or 5 couples plus a variety of regulars drop-ins (often just the husband, in one case daughter of a legacy hire). Then others that just join a few times a year. It’s a lot of fun, though for me a bit more obligatory than I’d like. Once in a while we switch it up and have everybody to our house for pizza or easy crockpot meal - tis nothing fancy, but it is lovely to once in a while to hang at the house for as long as we like… no worry about who needs the table.

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We love hosting Thanksgiving. Often we have as many as 30 people over from both sides of the family, plus a few strays. We were supposed to host this year but my in-laws are refusing to travel and insist we come to them 6 hours away. I’d prefer to stay home and at least see my mother and my family, but somehow I lost that debate before I even knew it was happening. So we are flying two of our kids into Houston and we are driving there. The best part is, there is about an 80% chance my MIL refuses to travel the 15 minute drive to my SIL’s house for the meal.

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We are :crossed_fingers:going to be on an European cruise this thanksgiving

Last year was fine but also not something I want to repeat.

One kid wouldn’t travel to the other kid, who couldn’t travel because of work. We ended up traveling to both on alternate weekends. The kids who wouldn’t travel asked that we not come at the same time as their other parent. So we couldn’t be there thanksgiving weekend but the weekend before. My mom who lives in the general direction went to Florida. So we had to visit her at a completely separate time.

Now if our entire airspace doesn’t completely collapse, I think we are set! Or if my fil doesn’t have a complete decline between now and next weekend. It feels like a slippery slope right now.

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I’m having 24 this year and don’t want anyone to bring anything. And stay the heck out of my kitchen. The only bad guests for me are those who can’t believe I really don’t want help. As a guest myself I always offer to bring a dish. And always offer to help clean up. Not offering in is rude in my book and I can’t imagine sitting there without offering.

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@maya54 and @vistajay, usually we love to entertain and have done a few big Thanksgivings and Passovers. We do appreciate people bringing plates in from the table (I usually load the dishwashers). With some people, ShawWife wants to do the whole meal and with some (who are very good cooks), she is happy for them to bring a dish. But, the folks I’m talking about never offer to help, never help and are happy to make requests (Can I have another capuccino, can you do it this way rather than that, … ).

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I know that is your way, but do you think your guests might feel better contributing in some way? It’s what we like to do (and you do too!)

You can gift them a task outside of the kitchen! :smiley:

Looks like we are celebrating Thanksgiving with longtime family friends we celebrate many events with. It will be fun. We are looking forward to it! It will likely be about 30-50 folks.

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If you always say no, they may very well stop asking. It’s human nature (says the woman who has to force herself to keep inviting the brother who always says no).

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Who thought we’d be spending the better part of this entire year in and out of medical appointments?!?!? I guess it’s part of aging, but wow not how we had envisioned this year. Hopefully future years will have more fun and less medical. Fingers crossed. At least, we are planning a month in Scandinavia for 2026 and looking forward to that!

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@HImom : I hope you bought travel insurance, just in case!

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In a broader post about the dysfunction of the US healthcare system, I pointed out that the pricing of the copays/coinsurance for drugs was highly variable depending upon which pharmacy you went to and which plan you choose. I was talking yesterday to a an eclectic economics professor who focuses on payment systems who told me that the prescription drug pricing at a CVS will differ depending upon location – the prices in less affluent neighborhoods are likely to be meaningfully lower than in affluent neighborhoods.

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CVS is definitely different if you sign up for their mail order program vs regular, at least for some insurance plans.

No travel insurance but most of what we have booked so far is cancellable with no penalties. Also when the Iceland volcano erupted, people were all very kind and gave us full refunds with a letter from my md who said I couldn’t travel due to volcano.

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