Likely Letters and athletes academic stats -- reality and myths

<p>In an attempt to generate some real data (however obviously skewed because the sample are ccers) on Ivy athletes who received (earned) Likely Letters here is a thread which lists their sport and raw academic data.</p>

<p>Sport: Baseball
ACT/SAT: 34 (SAT never taken)
SAT II: ave. 750 (2)
Course Load: AP’s – 8
UWGPA: 3.95</p>

<p>Three of my son’s friends. </p>

<p>Sport: Soccer
SAT: 1870
UWGPA: 3.6
Do not know SAT II or course load. Mediocre public school, though.</p>

<p>Sport: Soccer
SAT: 2020
UWGPA: 4.0
Do not know SAT II. Same school as above student. (Small, mediocre public).</p>

<p>Sport: basketball
SAT: 1850
GPA: 3.4
SATII Unknown.
Has not taken any AP courses. Attends east coast boarding school.</p>

<p>Sport: Men’s Ice Hockey
SAT: 1880
UWGPA: 3.0
3 AP courses, attends top east coast private school</p>

<p>Sport: Baseball
SAT: 2100
SAT II: ave. 720 (2)
Course Load: AP’s – 4
UWGPA: 4.7
Note: Pre-engineering high school curiculum at magnet school</p>

<p>The point of this exercise (I think) is to show unique academic ability (stats) as well as athletic ability rolled into one scholar athlete who received LL. I’ll play along, but I think their athletic skills need to noted as well. Timing of LL date and ED date were too close in our case. We went Ivy ED to dream school last year with other options available if ED fell through. Son had LL offer from another Ivy he declined.</p>

<p>^^fenway, what do you mean by, “…I think their athletic skills need to be noted as well.”
And…how can an unweighted gpa be 4.7? I thought 4.0 was the cap (and that a 4.3 for A+ was a rarity) and all colleges reconvert to a 4.0 scale.</p>

<p>Sport: Fencing (likely received 10/7)
ACT: 36
SAT II: ave. 770
UW GPA: 3.93
Intense east coast private, toughest available course load</p>

<p>People tell me I’m lucky I have sports…grr.</p>

<p>Sport: Fencing (likely offered, will update when it comes in the mail)
School: Ivy
SAT: 2400 - one sitting
SAT II: ave. 783.333 (3 taken)
UW GPA: 3.80/4
W GPA: 4.54/4.82
6 AP’s taken before senior year. Four 5’s and one 4. Did not take one exam.
Very competitive public school that does not rank because of rank deflation. Sends over 15 out of around 400 kids to Ivies every year, usually even more.</p>

<p>Sport: Swimming (not my child)
School; Harvard
SAT1s all over 700, but not much
GPA(school doesn’t weight, not the hardest classes offered) 92. Public school, some kids go to ivies every year.
One of the top swimmers in our state-as in top 5 in more than 1 event</p>

<p>Courted by Brown as well quite heavily.</p>

<p>Keylyme,</p>

<p>My bad. Weighted was 4.7. Unweighted is 3.8. I was in a rush this AM to get out of the hotel to see my son at Parents weekend.</p>

<p>IMHO - in the context of a recruited athlete you have to look at the whole package. I don’t think you can just look at academics without athletics.</p>

<p>Sport: Track and Field - High Jump
School: Yale
ACT: 32
SAT II: N/A
UW GPA: 3.8
3 APs senior year
Top prep school in California. No class rank.</p>

<p>Sport: Track & Field
School: Harvard (turned down LL offers at other Ivies; decided not to attend H)
SAT: 2300 (first and only sitting, 800 CR)
SAT II’s : average 720 for 3
Course Load: 9 AP’s, also 2 community college courses taught at high school, lots of honors classes)
WGPA: 4.2
School doesn’t rank</p>

<p>Sport: baseball
SAT: 2400
SAT2 average: 795 (2)
Course-load: most rigorous offered at school (honors/AP)
UW GPA: 3.94</p>

<p>I agree that you need to know the athletic level of the recruit. If you’re of an athlete of international caliber, your academic stats can be lower. Moreover, some athletes are ‘recruited’ to boost the team’s academic index.</p>

<p>Sport: Track and Field
ACT/SAT: 2090 superscored
SAT II: ave. 650 (took 2)
Course Load: Hardest available, no APs
UWGPA: 4.0
WGPA: 4.95
School does not rank (but top 1% for sure)</p>

<p>bump… would love to see that stats of a golfer.</p>

<p>As long as you’ve bumped, I have a question: one of the posters said they didn’t rank because of “rank deflation”. What is rank deflation?</p>

<p>^ I hadn’t seen the term before, but I assume they’re referring to a case where you have a lot of high achieving kids in one school, and a student who might be say, top 2% in a typical school, drops down to top 5% or so, and so on down the line.</p>

<p>Or, to look at it another way, think about the graduating class at a high stat college, say MIT. These graduates would represent some of the brightest, most accomplished students in the country. But half of them would be graduating in the bottom half of the class. Better not to rank them, one might argue, since their ranks are deflated by the overall level of talent of the class.</p>

<p>The same thing could happen at a competitive private or magnet high school, where they might choose not to rank in order to protect their students from the consequences of this “ranking inflation”. </p>

<p>That’s my guess, anyway.</p>

<p>Someone I know
Sport: Tennis
School Harvard
SAT 1920
GPA 3.4
wGPA 3.7
Doesn’t rank not in top 10%</p>

<p>He is very very lucky. Harvard is not even one of the top 50 tennis teams though</p>

<p>Another Person I know
Sport: Waterpolo
School Stanford
SAT idk
GPA 3.7
WGPA3.7
She is on the olympic Waterpolo team. She is a beast. Much respect</p>

<p>Another person I know
Sport: Baseball
School Princeton
ACT 35
GPA 3.5
wGPA 3.5
He is a chill guy. not good in baseball though. he has potential as he is a left handed pitcher</p>

<p>Sport: Nordic Ski
School: Harvard
SAT: ~2200
GPa: ~3.9 UW
Rank ~10/330</p>

<p>Also 3 people I know got into dartmouth for skiing.</p>