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<p>Last split … as in the last 50 meters.</p>
<p>Ye’s swam the last 50 meters of the race in 28.93 seconds. Ryan Lochte, the men’s 400 IM champion, swam his final length in 29.10 seconds.</p>
<p>And the fact that the ladies take twenty seconds longer makes that last split even more … fantastic.</p>
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<p>If another Chinese girl did what Missy Franklin did - broke the record less than 15 mins after her 200-m semi swim, the US media would have done the same thing; instead of congratulating and emphasizing the amazing achievement, they’d question it.</p>
<p>I could NOT BELIEVE IT. Right before Missy Franklin’s final, a commercial came on saying “When you’re 17 y/o and you win your first Gold Medal, etc., " See Missy Franklin tomorrow morning on Daybreak” (or whatever morning show), showing her posing with her gold medal and then hugging her parents with joy. Major spoiler right before her swim. Did all of you get that commercial?</p>
<p>OMG - I didn’t see that! What idiot approved that commercial???</p>
<p>Nice to see William and Harry in attendance for the men’s gymnastics.</p>
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<p>I don’t know, but that is just INEXCUSABLE. Really badly done, NBC. :mad:</p>
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<p>We will never know, but the media is reporting the questions raised by … very well-respected coaches such as Leonard. They also address WHY questions are raised about the Chinese, and that WHY includes a long history of cheating and deception. And it is not in a distant past:</p>
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<p><a href=“http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-06/10/c_131642593.htm[/url]”>http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-06/10/c_131642593.htm</a></p>
<p>That was a most ridiculous ending to men’s team gymnastics tonight. And a cash deposit is required with judging appeals? It looked like an SNL skit.</p>
<p>I am amazed at the awful coverage by NBC.
What were the scores/times/etc.? Am I the only one that feels this way?
What is going on?</p>
<p>xiggi,</p>
<p>We know no American would ever dope… Just ask Lance Armstrong, Jessica Hardy, Floyd Landis, Marion Jones, Barry Bond, Carl Lewis…</p>
<p>That Jessica Hardy tested positive didn’t mean anything about the rest of the US team. Yet, the 16-yo Li somehow would make Ye more suspicious and become one of the valid points to raise question. Apparently, it’s okay to place guilt by association when it comes to the Chinese.</p>
<p>Seriously nbc sucks with its coverage. On gymnastics,a lot of the scores, especially important nail-biter ones aren’t shown </p>
<p>Sent from my Desire HD using CC</p>
<p>Sam Lee - Jessica Hardy Drank a contaminated sports drink. Her ban was overturned and her suspension shortened. The Chinese swim team have a history of systematic doping. Now, do I think they are clean now, yes. But given the history people are going to be suspicious.</p>
<p>The fencing world is up in arms…</p>
<p><a href=“Fencing.net Forums - Fencing.Net”>Fencing.net Forums - Fencing.Net;
<p>Regarding “a long history of cheating and deception”, China started competing in the Games in 1984 and the doping scandal was in the 1990s. The history doesn’t seem much longer than 1988-2000 when the US Track & Field had a systematic cover-up
[Top</a> 10 Doping Scandals | CBC Sports Online](<a href=“http://www.cbc.ca/sports/photoessay/top10-doping/index4.html]Top”>http://www.cbc.ca/sports/photoessay/top10-doping/index4.html)<br>
Somehow the US Track & Field is now considered all clean while Chinese swimming always seems to be under the cloud of suspicion because of its “history”.</p>
<p>The fencing debacle was ridiculous!</p>
<p>Sam Lee, the doping scandals were in the distant past but provide the history. The Li affair provides the recent context of EPO abuse. Pointing the fingers in other directions does not change the history or the recent cheating by an athlete who could have been on THIS team and share the age of Ye.</p>
<p>Old habits die slowly.</p>
<p>““Last split … as in the last 50 meters… Yes swam the last 50 meters of the race in 28.93 seconds. Ryan Lochte, the mens 400 IM champion, swam his final length in 29.10 seconds…””</p>
<p>CG has explained it well in # 438. It is a matter of data mining. Lochte didn’t swim the fastest final 50 m in the Men’s 400 m IM. Here are samples from the 2012 US Olympics Team Trials.</p>
<p>For the Men’s 400 m IM, 3 of the top 8 finished the final 50 m in under 29 s (28.30-28.60 s).</p>
<p>[Swimming</a> World Results - US Olympic Trials: Men’s 400 IM Finals](<a href=“http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/results/published/PDF-Results.asp?title=US%20Olympic%20Trials:%20Men’s%20400%20IM%20Finals&file=mens400imfinals.pdf]Swimming”>2012 London Olympics: Men's 400 IM Finals - Meet Results - Swimming World)</p>
<p>If we were to include the Men’s 400 m Free, 6 of the top 8 finished the final 50 m in under 29 s (27.86-28.93 s).</p>
<p>[Swimming</a> World Results - US Olympic Trials: Men’s 400 Free Finals](<a href=“http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/results/published/PDF-Results.asp?title=US%20Olympic%20Trials:%20Men’s%20400%20Free%20Finals&file=mens400freefinals.pdf]Swimming”>US Olympic Trials: Men's 400 Free Finals - Meet Results - Swimming World)</p>
<p>And Sun won gold in the Men’s 400 m Free, finishing the final 50 m in only 26.40 s.</p>
<p><a href=“London 2012 400m freestyle men Results - Olympic swimming”>London 2012 400m freestyle men Results - Olympic swimming;
<p>I suppose we can safely consider that, the fastest final 50 m for a Men’s 400 m event, is under 26.40 s, which is more than 2.5 s faster than that of the 16 year-old girl, Ye, at 28.93 s. So quoting Lochte’s slower time for the final 50 m at 29.10 s in a Men’s 400 m event, is only journalistic sensationalism.</p>
<p>““And the fact that the ladies take twenty seconds longer makes that last split even more … fantastic.””</p>
<p>First, please refer to what I mentioned earlier, Ye’s time for the final 50 m is more than 2.5 s slower than that in a Men’s 400 m event. Of course, I ain’t referring to Lochte’s slower time at 29.10 s. Second, the fastest final 50 m in this Olympics for the Women’s 400 m Free, is 29.66 s, by Adlington, who won bronze in that event, indicating that further improvement is very reasonable, to that of Ye at 28.93 s, although Ye swam in the Women’s 400 m IM instead.</p>
<p><a href=“London 2012 400m freestyle women Results - Olympic swimming”>London 2012 400m freestyle women Results - Olympic swimming;
<p>““We will never know, but the media is reporting the questions raised by…””</p>
<p>The above is smearing, as in “(w)e will never know, but the media is reporting” about falsifying records at CMC. So should we generalize the same for Xiggi as well? :-)</p>
<p>“”…very well-respected coaches such as Leonard.“”</p>
<p>This coach should be more knowledgeable about his profession. He seems not to be versed with the times for the final 50 m in a 400 m event. Please refer to what I mentioned earlier.</p>
<p>““They also address WHY questions are raised about the Chinese, and that WHY includes a long history of cheating and deception.””</p>
<p>SL has explained it well in # 454.</p>
<p>““Pointing the fingers in other directions does not change the history or the recent cheating by an athlete who could have been on THIS team and share the age of Ye.””</p>
<p>As in you are also “(p)ointing the fingers in other directions does not change the history or the recent cheating by a (US) athlete who could have been on THIS (US) team”. If you were to leave the US team alone, but only extending your suspicion to the 16 year-old girl, Ye, then this is nothing other than hypocrisy.</p>
<p>““Old habits die slowly.””</p>
<p>I know. I was enjoying the thread until this crap of guilty-by-prejudice-against-China shows up again. You don’t want to throw rocks in a glass house. :-)</p>
<p>I don’t suppose anyone is up and watching equestrian? Cause I am.</p>
<p>^ no, but I watched swimming at 6 AM.</p>
<p>Men’s 4 x 200 free prelims.</p>
<p>I woke up at 7 am to watch Venus first. </p>
<p>I leave for London tomorrow :P</p>