Looking for community and guidance for my home-schooled niece

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Since the niece, @WolfTheSpiderDrone , has joined the conversation, let’s address responses to her.

Hello,

I am the uncle of a 15-year-old girl who’ll soon be reading and posting on this forum herself. She needs help getting her education sorted that neither her parents nor the school system seem to be providing. I don’t want to badmouth her mom (my sister) or her dad, both of whom are wonderful people (and far more upstanding citizens than me in general), but my impression is that parental guidance is rather lacking in this department. (If my sister or brother-in-law happen to read what I’ve just written, I guess they can be angry with me if they want—I’m only doing what I think is right.)

I don’t know exactly how smart my niece is, but there’s no question she’s far above average and has the aptitude to succeed at a prestigious college. She learned German and the piano very fast when I taught her a bit of those things, and she’s also a self-taught Japanese learner who’s taught me some of that language. When I explain science to her, she tends to not only immediately get the point but to see the implications. She’d be a professor’s dream.

She doesn’t even know that she wants to go to college, and I told her that I’ll respect her decision if she decides not to. However, I intend to do what I can to make sure all possible doors are open to her when that time comes. She can opt not to step through one, but at least I’ll have done what I can.

She lives in Idaho and her parents are Mormon. Although they’d be considered liberal by Mormon standards (especially Idaho Mormon), they still display a lot of the fear of Wicked Progressive Ideas being taught in school that you’d expect. It’s mostly because of this fear (I gather) that they’ve decided to do “unschooling,” where (as I’m sure most of you know) you turn the kid loose to explore their own interests and encourage them along the way. This approach gives me some trepidation, and that’s partly because I “unschooled” myself when I was in high school, with…you might say dubious results. I came out of high school being a bookworm-on-steroids and a burgeoning cosmopolitan, but I also had an abysmal GPA and my ACT score, although respectable (28) was much lower than it would’ve been if I’d properly studied math. In my opinion, what a student needs is a balance of the two approaches—give them every opportunity to develop as individuals, yes, but also acknowledge the reality that standardized tests matter a great deal and plan accordingly. My self-indulgent read-a-thons would not have suffered in the least for my prepping for the ACT like I was going to war. (I omit GPA here because I assume my niece will be unschooled so it’ll be a moot point.)

I realize I’m being rather long-winded and giving a lot of info that’s really not necessary if I just want advice, but advice isn’t all I want. I’m hoping that my niece will find real community here (or somewhere online—this is just the first site I’m trying out) and be able to vent her fears and frustrations, not merely get advice. I’m hoping that my saying quite a lot so that you get some sense of who we are will help to foster that environment.

But in terms of advice: what should I be doing right now to help her, other than getting us both involved on this site? I’ve been out of high school and college for a long time and I’ve no idea how much things have changed since the late 90s/early 00s. I’m willing to do most anything to help her, but I lack knowledge myself.

She’ll be chiming in soon as well to introduce herself. Everyone be extremely nice to her or I’ll grind your bones to make my bread. :slight_smile: (Be as rude as you like to me.)

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You’re asking for advice for yourself, not your niece, right? She’ll ask for her own advice.

Are you close to her? I’m thinking maybe you can offer a weekend getaway that includes visiting a college. No commitment, just checking it out and seeing what colleges are all about.

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Hmmm.

Based on what you have shared, I suggest that your niece get a recent edition of The Fiske Guide To Colleges. This is a very positive guidebook which details various aspects of approximately 300 colleges and universities.

BYU has two great campus locations–one in Hawaii and, of course, one in Utah. Outstanding university at very low cost to Mormons.

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hi im the niece just wanted to mention that although my family is, im not mormon

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and I’m also not the best at faking being mormon

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I think a lot of parents post on CC, probably more than students do, but there are students who post here too. It’s a good place to get advice.

I’m a mom who did a smidge of homeschooling, but I am very close to a family who homeschooled all the way through high school until their daughter went to college.

To apply to college your parents will need to create a high school transcript. It is not too hard, but it helps to look at some examples online. I homeschooled my oldest for one semester in high school and then they took one semester of classes at our local community college. Then chose to go back to high school for their senior year. For the one semester I homeschooled on the transcript I listed classes like Visual Arts (Intermediate) and a numerical grade as well as a letter grade 93/A/4.0. They unschooled themselves in Geography so I listed that too. I also included things like Math III (Khan Academy) – you can do a lot of classes for free on Khan Academy. And there is SAT/ACT prep on there too I believe.

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Resource for planning life after high school.

I find the next link interesting to learn that in Idaho, home schoolers might have dual enrollment in a public school for extracurricular activities like sports or music, or perhaps robotics, etc., but then, might have to take a test required by the public school to show that the home schooler is at the correct level.

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Welcome, @Eisbrecher and @WolfTheSpiderDrone!

@WolfTheSpiderDrone, I would become familiar with Khan Academy and its resources for studying for the SAT/PSAT. Although some kids naturally do better on the ACT over the SAT (and vice versa), the reason why I emphasize the SAT is because students who take the PSAT in the fall of their junior year are then eligible to be considered for National Merit status. And there are schools that will offer full tuition or full rides (including room & board) for students who become National Merit Semi-Finalists (based on test scores) or Finalists (which most do, but includes getting a qualifying SAT score to confirm the PSAT score).

Since your parents are unschooling and may be reluctant to help pay for college costs, having options for free or a low-cost education is definitely something I would look into. This thread has additional information you may want to read through.

If you find that the ACT does come much more naturally than the SAT, there are schools that will provide auto merit to high ACT scores as well.

@Eisbrecher, good luck in supporting your niece. One thing you can do to help is to convince her parents how important it is to have a transcript with grades. Most auto scholarships I’ve seen will depend on both a test score AND a GPA.

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Agree that for college admissions a transcript will be needed. I also think it will be important to understand where your education is compared to the traditional system. If considering college you will need to show a background which proves to admissions that you can successfully handle their academics. Have you had any traditional math, science (with lab), writing, etc. experiences?

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My kid danced the last two years of high school so was partly homeschooled. Took the GED and later got a diploma by mail from the North Atlantic Regional High School (kid had satisfied all requirements except CPR). No problems with admissions. You could go on Reddit and find homeschoolers or find a forum related to what you want to know.

I like the Colleges that Change Lives ctcl.org but they might be too liberal. Several are very welcoming to homeschoolers.

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I’ve taken classes at my local high school with a dual enrollment last year, and I’m currently taking online classes.

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I’m not sure asking my parents to make a transcript for me is the best idea, i know my mom would want to help but i doubt whether she would actually get to it… I’m currently taking some online classes through my high school though, Math and Japanese, and I’m hoping to get more involved with my education next year. My mom wants me to take concurrent enrollment with BYU next year though, which I guess is fine if it helps me better than high school, although I’m no longer mormon so hopefully that wouldn’t mess it up.

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That suggests that they are more conservative than Idaho, which is already conservative.

Is the student an observant CJCLDS member? If so, perhaps a nudge on the parents along the lines of “wouldn’t it be great if she went to BYU (Provo)?” may help.

Since the niece, @WolfTheSpiderDrone , has joined the conversation, let’s address responses to her.

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@ucbalumnus . The Niece wrote this:

although I’m no longer mormon so hopefully that wouldn’t mess it up.

The state of Idaho has a very robust community college pathway and several universities - one that is quite popular is Boise State. I am not sure your community, but in Ketchum, Idaho (Sun Valley area) they have an amazing non-profit called The Space that assists on a sliding scale to free for college placement. Maybe there is something similar in your town - if you are not near Ketchum/Hailey.

Idaho also has a good grant program, so don’t count out the state to assist you financially. I am unsure your resource and if contacting you local high school (i know you don’t attend there) and speak with a counselor to get some direction.

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@WolfTheSpiderDrone

Here are my thoughts:

  1. You probably need a budget of what your parents will contribute annually for you to attend college.
  2. You might want to start a chance me/match me thread which will give us more complete information about you.
  3. Many colleges have no issue accepting students who have homeschooled.
  4. If you have some colleges in mind, look and see what they require for high school courses and make sure you have taken those. I would suggest four years each of English, Math, Social Studies, Science, and up to at least level three in one language. And take some sort of arts course.
  5. Are you a member of any homeschool collaborative, or are you crafting your homeschooling yourself?
  6. Do you have any extra curricular activities that you do, and enjoy?
  7. Who will write your letters of reference?
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Congrats on your decision to independently take control of your education and apply to college! The first thing you need to do, before you dive too deeply into thinking about different colleges to apply to, etc., is to confirm whether you are eligible to attend college. Although many homeschooled students go to college, your situation is a bit different in that, as I understand it, you have been unschooled. You also write that you don’t think your parents will give you a transcript. So I think the very first thing that you and your uncle need to tackle is figuring out what classes you have “completed,” how you can substantiate that, what classes are still lacking, and whether you need and how you will get a h.s. diploma or GED. You may need to start by contacting a few colleges you’re interested in to see what you will need to do to even be considered. This would be my first step given your educational background. Good luck!

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Actual high school and college course completion will help validate your academic achievements for college admission readers.

Which courses have you completed and intend to take?

Something else to look into are WUE schools.