LOST fans - tonight's episode

<p>Obviously…there are many explanations…I like this…</p>

<p>[‘Lost</a>’ Series Finale Theories: Searching for Explanations and Answers](<a href=“http://american-idol.tvsquad.com/2010/05/24/lost-finale-theories-explanations/]'Lost”>http://american-idol.tvsquad.com/2010/05/24/lost-finale-theories-explanations/)</p>

<p>All good interpretations and ideas! I do understand that Walt will be explained on the DVD… go figure?!? He was not even on my list of ‘I’d be mildly interested in knowing…’, however there are a LOT of fans who really wanted (and rightfully so) an answer. I hope for those people it will be a good one! :)</p>

<p>I also learned today that MIB did have a name, Samuel. That was the name used on the script. They decided not to use it to keep his character more of an entity, allowing viewers to more easily see him as the smoke monster, take on other peoples forms, and eventually Locke.</p>

<p>I don’t know if rewatching the series now will be fun, or frustrating, given we now know what will never be answered. I may find that I can go with the overall picture of the series, and quit looking for answers in the details. Nahhh! :)</p>

<p>Good editorial from today’s NY TImes. </p>

<p><a href=“No Longer ‘Lost,’ but Fans Are Still Searching - The New York Times”>No Longer ‘Lost,’ but Fans Are Still Searching - The New York Times;

<p>My immediate reaction to the ending was mostly emotion-based. I loved it , and was so sad to see it go. I’ve cooled on it a bit since then, for some of the reasons mentioned in the article. That said, there’s no way they could ever had please everyone.</p>

<p>One extremely petty beef of mine-- I’ll probably get flak for it, but here goes…</p>

<p>Re: that incredibly touching moment when Vincent appears from the woods to be with Jack-- I felt it was marred somewhat by the fact that that yellow lab was so obviously taking cues from it’s off scene trainer, and was clearly told to just “lay down.” There should have been more affection, more natural body language. The photo with this article shows it exactly. He’s too stiff. No Emmy for you, Mr. Yellow Lab.</p>

<p>^^thank you for posting the link; good editorial…</p>

<p>I would have one question to ask the author (and Lindhof and Cuse too)…why did they pan to the crashed airliner during the closing credits? did you not realize that many people would interpret that to mean that they all died on the plane and that the island never existed? in addition, the vision was absent of the camp that was immediately built after the crash in the pilot…that is what REALLY confused most “losties”…(and led to the feeling that they had “wasted the last 6 years of their lives”) (not my words)</p>

<p>no-one anywhere has really discussed this…? any thoughts?</p>

<p>^ This was brought up by an entertainment/TV writer who is a huge fan, and also tends to get fed bits of inside information here and there. She was totally blank and said ‘I felt like they just really ran out of ideas to roll the credits with.’. She laughed, but was really without even a logical guess. Seriously, why not just show sweeping views of the beautiful island and let it go? They may have done better to leave the audience with the montage to ‘Lost in Your Eyes’ that was shown on Kimmel. It was a crack up! XD (note you can see this on youtube…search Lost in Your Eyes Montage.) I say this tongue in cheek, but there would have been a wicked sense of humor in it.</p>

<p>Anyone have thoughts on what extras they would like to see on the DVD? I for one would love to see a really decent blooper reel.</p>

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<p>Well then, I hope you won’t mind some questions. </p>

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<li><p>When you say the island was real … to you mean real as in what the word means or do you mean real as in ‘fantastical supernatural fiction’ = real? </p></li>
<li><p>Assuming the later, when the light went out and Locke became mortal was the island no longer supernatural or was the island still supernatural? I’m wondering because if the island is still supernatural - the light and protecting the light merely becomes a meaningless red herring.</p></li>
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<p>As a purist, must note that the NYT piece is a column, not an editorial.</p>

<p>I have to say, I find that explanation much less satisfying than that the whole thing was purgatory. And I’m a bit skeptical that the creators always wanted to end it this way. Really? I feel like the story got away from them a while back, and they were busy trying to make it make sense.</p>

<p>ETA: I do like the line about a Rohrsach test in the other piece.</p>

<p>^ I agree that the meaning of ‘We knew the ending all along’ is a stretch. I believe they knew they wanted the closing shot of Matthew Fox’s/Jack’s eye closing. They may have even known that in some way they wanted to bring these characters back together to ‘move on’, however I do not believe they knew the specifics of how that eventually played out. Just my opinion. I also feel the story got away from them a few seasons back. Once they decided an end date (which I honestly believe was closer to S4) they were far better equipped to determine story arcs, etc.</p>

<p>"1. When you say the island was real … to you mean real as in what the word means or do you mean real as in ‘fantastical supernatural fiction’ = real?</p>

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<li>Assuming the later, when the light went out and Locke became mortal was the island no longer supernatural or was the island still supernatural? I’m wondering because if the island is still supernatural - the light and protecting the light merely becomes a meaningless red herring."</li>
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<p>You’re asking me…lol</p>

<p>One…I’m taking the writers at their word…</p>

<p>Real?
Real to me means the characters weren’t dreaming on the island. They were alive on the island. The experiences on the island happened to the characters.</p>

<p>If the light goes out…I believe …yes…the island loses its powers.</p>

<p>I’d guess there were some basics they probably had planned all along, but with all that story and all those characters, they had to adapt. There were some they probably just had to give up on, like Jack’s original wife (not Juliet), Walt and his special abilities, etc. But still, later on – to have Jack’s child not even be real… I also got frustrated with the number of new characters they kept introducing in later seasons when I thought they’d be paring down.</p>

<p>Anyone else wonder why nothing ever came of the early “Claire HAS to be the one to raise her own baby… OR ELSE” storyline? S1 read on a blog that the nutty future predictor turned out to be a quack. I must have missed that. </p>

<p>Another question for the planned-it-all-along vs. we-changed-our-minds list:
Do you think they always planned for Sawyer and Juliet to be together? I thought they made it pretty clear (for years) that the true connection was between Kate and Sawyer, even through the episodes where Sawyer and Juliet were living together – at least until Juliet got sucked down with the bomb.</p>

<p>I think the final flight out crashed and that is the remains that we see in the closing credits. I believe this because I remember at one time Widmore saying that the plane had been wired with explosives all along. The explosives could have been moved to the sub, but then again, maybe not.</p>

<p>And as for the aerial shot of the broken plane down on the beach: I was confused too-- no long stretch of beach, no camp, it just looked different.</p>

<p>After the finale there were posts from people online saying that the rescue plane flown by Lapidus had blown up after all - that they’d never made it off the island. If so, that would have been an incredible downer! But judging from the big rusty jet engines it had to have been Oceanic. I don’t think they were implying that everyone had died in the original crash - I think it was just scenerey – remains of their time on the island.</p>

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<p>Ah. So, the light goes out, the island loses its power - effecting the MIB/Fake Locke, turning him into flesh and blood … right? But wait, there is no flesh and blood as Locke is dead. So … Jack is fighting who on the cliff? After all, that’s a real experience … right? ;)</p>

<p>My idea is not to pick apart the whole show. I like LOST I just feel the writers were trapped with the obvious - the characters are all on Purgatory Island working through their issues. After six seasons with fans saying that the island was Purgatory from early on … their egos wouldn’t allow that to happen nor did they want to get killed by the fanboys who would revolt if they believed six years on the island didn’t really occur to flesh and blood people. So, they pulled this waiting room dealio where apparently Jack has a fake son that doesn’t really exist and Claire has a real baby she’s moving forward with. Go figure. So they invent this timeless place where dead people (and jointly) somehow create to meet up. Not four seasons ago, but only in season six … how convenient both as a craptastic story element and how it avoids some ‘higher power’ having any involvement in this meet-up. </p>

<p>My viewpoint doesn’t make me right, it just makes it palatable to me. The story is not about the island. There is no real island. There was no flight. There is no magic water, nor magic cup nor magic words. There is no magic light. It’s a story about the people working through their post-death trials and tribulations. The island is just a construct to that end. </p>

<p>These are people that had connections to each other before getting on Flt. 815 and people that will have connections post island and post church. Some were bound together before getting on that flight and some will remain bound after that flight and after the church meeting. I like that idea but I’m not wedded to it. I can also see that a plane went down and there were no survivors and that was their real death. I’m cool with it either way.</p>

<p>preironic - re: the crashed plane. I thought that too after reading those posts, because I don’t remember anyone being shown actually dismantling all the explosives on the plane, and the beach DID look different. But what made me change my mind was the size of the jet engines. I think they few off on a smaller plane (though I know nothing about planes).</p>

<p>ctyankee…Well…if you are going to nit-pick…the whole show is a fiction. ;)</p>

<p>ITA w/ctyankee. I think the original purgatory storyline was enough for some (like me), but the writers began to feel compelled to make it something different for reasons stated above. I don’t understand, however, why the original story line wasn’t enough. There was good acting and interesting twists – who cares if it wasn’t happening to “real” people? I felt like it was “real” because I was vested in these characters, alive or not; I wanted their souls to find peace (or in some cases, maybe I didn’t!). The thought that the island isn’t “real” doesn’t diminish the story for me at all.</p>

<p>And it’s the reason I said I liked the Rorschach line – people will see what they want to see.</p>

<p>The actors were perfect at the end. True to form, very compelling. The ending was powerful, emotional, the music great. Matthew Fox was wonderful.</p>

<p>I agree re: Matthew Fox. I have to admit that Jack was never on my list of most interesting characters. He was the trustworthy, very human guy you often took for granted – which made his actions in the finale all the more compelling/heroic.</p>

<p>Yes, lspf72, Jack was the good guy. Maybe not the most compelling character at the start but the montage brought back all he tried to do/did do. I was very moved by his death, surprisingly so .</p>

<p>Who was Matthew Fox? Wait, was he in the scenes with Evangeline Lilly? I didn’t notice him.</p>