<p>Looking at several new topics that were started this afternoon that are completely blank, I think there was a glitch. Bummer. At least now I don’t think I unknowingly offended someone, whew!</p>
<p>That’s how I saw it too, blueiguana. Its only the flash-sideways that was the “waiting room” or “purgatory” or whatever. The rest of it actually happened - definitely leaves the mythology intact.</p>
<p>That’s how I saw it too, blueiguana. Its only the flash-sideways that was the “waiting room” or “purgatory” or whatever. The rest of it actually happened - definitely leaves the mythology intact.</p>
<p>Now this is fun! :D</p>
<p>IMO, the people who died just died. They didn’t need a purgatory; they were headed straight to heaven or hell. All the people from 815 who died and were on the island had varying stages of unresolved issues that didn’t make them candidates for heaven. Kate killed a man even though she thought it was for a good reason, Charlie’s life was spiraling because of drugs, Jin was a hit man, etc. Remember, Jacob said that he’d brought them all here because they were flawed. The island was a way for them to work out their issues and redeem themselves.</p>
<p>IMO ;)</p>
<p>I agree that Hurley and Ben stayed on the island longer, but it’s just because it took longer for their souls to work through their issues.</p>
<p>The last scene is of his eye closing, right? By the time his eye closed, he had “crossed over” and that’s why his eye closed, because now his sould was at rest.</p>
<p>The Ben character is indeed very complex- Locke at the end called him both Benjamin and Ben. Many times others are more willing to forgive us (like Locke and Hurley) than we can ever hope to forgive ourselves.</p>
<p>Whoa! My post is back. It’s as creepy as the island! :D</p>
<p>blueiguana–I like your interpretation. It makes sense to me.</p>
<p>Been having trouble w/ CC since last night.</p>
<p>Blueiguana: sorry I wasn’t clear; “Lost” became a real bonding experience for my husband and 16 yr old daughter (who started watching with him when she was 11 and very daddy-centric)…it was the end of an era last night on sooo many levels, it really overwhelmed both me and my daughter; we were bawling…of course, my husband, being, yea, well, my husband, was laughing at both of us (but I knew deep down that he was aware of the significance as well)…</p>
<p>In terms of “It is simply my opinion” in terms of the ending, it has been published all day that the “purgatory” aspect was the sideways plot of this season and that the crash, the Island and all that happened on it was the reality…if you watched Jimmy Kimmel last night (or early this morning, actually) that was basically confirmed by Matthew Fox at the beginning of the show…</p>
<p>everyone has been asking all day, “were you satisfied with the finale?”…and I guess, in my opinion, “yes” and “no”…I guess I was satisfied with Jack’s test being completed; I think that this could have been explored, however, with the other main characters over the last few episodes…</p>
<p>It left me hanging especially re the people who actually made it off the Island on that plane; yea, we know they EVENTUALLY died since they were in “purgatory” with Jack, but you are left to wonder what happened with them in the meantime…</p>
<p>I do have to watch the last ten minutes over again…did every character who was still alive on the Island “meet up” with someone who was already dead in previous storylines?</p>
<p>Jack+Kate
Juliet+Sawyer
Penny+Desmond (both alive? can’t remember)
Jin and Sun (both dead)</p>
<p>One question I have is …how sideways is sideways?</p>
<p>What was going in the sideways world could not have happened at the same time in the island world…because people were dying at different times. Jack died…but others like Hurley died years later. So the meeting up at the church…had to happen years after Jack died. I know I was told there is no now in the sideways world, but…</p>
<p>Then again this is a fictional show… :)</p>
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<p>I would agree but simply see it as different paths in the afterlife. Some taking longer than another. </p>
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<p>If so, why aren’t Kate and Sawyer old when they get to the ‘waiting’ room? </p>
<p>Why is Sawyer (for example) shown in this alternate universe prior to him dying?</p>
<p>If the island was reality, why didn’t the guys grow facial hair, etc.</p>
<p>“What was going in the sideways world could not have happened at the same time in the island world…because people were dying at different times”…EXACTLY…</p>
<p>“Why is Sawyer (for example) shown in this alternate universe prior to him dying?” because there is really no time continuum in the sideways (see below) </p>
<p>according to Christian Shepard (there are those last five minutes again), he told Jack that the world they created to “be together” eliminated the concept of time; it did not exist…that’s why Claire had her baby but Jin was still pregnant; the time relationship did not exist…and why Kate, Sawyer, etc were there…“Everyone dies eventually” says Christian to Jack…“some already did, some will later”…apparently, there is some speculation that this “purgatory” is really equivalent to a “nanosecond” in mythological circles; it confused our logic because we “thought” it had a time relationship to the actual events on the island…it was what made this season soooo confusing (but we didn’t know that until last night)</p>
<p>YDS: I have a better one for you; When Lapidus was found in the ocean on the life preserver he had major stubble; when he was on the plane trying to get it started he was clean shaven…</p>
<p>It’s funny that a couple mentioned the polar bear mystery. That was one of D2’s only disappointments. I’d gotten a little tired of Jack’s character at points over the years, but at the end it/he was very affecting. I think a lot of us were prepared to see Sawyer die, but glad it didn’t happen. </p>
<p>There was one point in the late/middle where I got a little tired of everyone’s special “connection” moments. I think it was the one with Sayid, Shannon (Shannon?!) and the smiling Boone which made me think, OK enough already. Also, if Jack’s alt universe (marriage to the original first wife, to Juliette, their son, etc) wasn’t real, then why did they show us everyone’s special moments of connection and remembrance? Was it all of theirs, or just Jack’s?? If Jack never really had a son, then did Sun and Jin have their baby who we saw on the ultrasound? I truly did enjoy the finale, and was completely wrapped up in the emotion of the whole thing, but today the questions started coming-- I couldn’t help it.</p>
<p>At some point this season I would like to have learned more about Dharma, and what happened to Aaron and Walt. Also - after all the strife he caused, Whidmore was dispatched pretty quickly and without much explanation.</p>
<p>I thought the ending for Ben Linus was thoughtful, sad, and perfect. I thought the evil unpredictable Ben might show up, but this was better – his character deserved to leave us with a little question mark. </p>
<p>My vote for most poignant moment goes to Vincent showing up to join Jack at the end. So simple but so moving… </p>
<p>And I agree with those who found LOST to be a bonding experience. It’s been great sharing it with S1 at college. He is currently in Shanghai, and is beside himself about missing the finale. He skyped us the minute it ended - full of questions, but not wanting it given away. Hopefully he’ll be able to watch it there tonight.</p>
<p>lspf: yes, if anyone can chime in about Jack’s son, that would be greatly appreciated…what I read this morning is that this supposed “purgatory” is where each person gets to live their “life” as they would have like it to be…I still can’t reconcile the idea, though, that there was a “son” that didn’t exist in real life, yet, yes, we know that Jin and Sun actually did have their child…I guess that will be one of the unanswered questions…</p>
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<p>So, Sawyer wanted to be a cop in his ‘how I’d like it to be life?’ Please.</p>
<p>I’m not sure that I think their purgatory lives are how they “want” to live their lives but more like what they need to live through in order to pass over.</p>
<p>ctyankee: if you recall Sawyer’s background, he watched his parents murder from under a bed; why do you find it weird that given that scenario? I think it was actually discussed at one time that he was still looking for his parents’ murderer…I’m not saying that the explanation is “perfect”; Kate was still in trouble…as was Sayid…etc…plus I’m still not sure it was just supposed to be “Jack’s test” not everybodys…that was not clear…</p>
<p>agree with YDS…but the more I think about it, I think it was primarily from Jack’s perspective…</p>
<p>Don’t have much to add, except I loved the finale. I have the same interpretation as the “accepted” one – it all happened and the alternate world was the waiting place – and have the answers I need. Like others, Lost was family time for us since the pilot episode, and I’ll miss it.</p>
<p>Last night I loved the first 2 hours 15 minutes then was dissatisfied with the last 15. Today after reading lots and lots of message boards, I’m feeling somewhat better. I’m also with blueiguana’s synopsis. I think the sideways reality exists outside time, each of the Losties entered it when they were dying or just died, at that time they worked through their own issues and failings so they could “move on” with a clean slate. They didn’t create the sideways world consciously; it was created out of the conflicts and questions in their minds. The island itself existed in real time (or as real as it could get). The group in the all-religion temple were there to support Jack’s catharsis since apparently they were meaningful to him at that stage of their lives. I’m not a big Jack fan particularly so wasn’t really invested in his redemption but I can appreciate it.</p>
<p>I’m not a “purgatory” religion person so don’t think of it in that way. People have mentioned similarities to Titanic when Rose returns young to the ship. I also thought of a young Jane Seymour reuniting with Christopher Reeve in “Somewhere in Time”.</p>
<p>I do feel that there was a lot that got set up over the years and then was either ignored or barely acknowledged. I understand the producers wanted to concentrate on the characters, but that meant glossing over quite a bit if they expect us to accept all the mysteries and mystique that they presented. I feel like we had to take two big turns this season, one to accept the good/evil Jacob/Flocke concept, and now another to accept the sideways reality as whatever you want to define it. Both of those turns took us away from the story we’ve been watching all these years.</p>
<p>But I did cry and laugh last night (I do admit that the Target smoke detector commercial got the biggest laugh). I cried when Kate helped deliver Claire’s baby again, I laughed when Hurley threw Charlie in the trunk, and I gasped when Juliet said “it worked” about the snack machine and she and Sawyer discussed the coffee date. I cheered when Frank turned up in the sub wreckage and again when he got the plane off the ground. And I was delighted that Sawyer, Richard, Miles, and Frank (OK, and Kate and Clair) all escaped the island (that’s my story and I’m sticking to it).</p>
<p>Just rewatched the finale…I loved the last 20 minutes…and the rest of the finale too…</p>
<p>I’m not as tired as yesterday…I hope “Mathew” Fox wins an Emmy.</p>
<p>And they weren’t in purgatory…the writers know what they are talking about. :)</p>
<p>What happened on the island was real…and the alt time line at the finale was the way the cast could get together and for Jack to let go and move on…</p>
<p>Anyway…that’s my take…</p>