thats ok, thanks for offering @heartburner, I was able to see all the data @momonymous suggested. I found with the info that I was asking about here, that the matriculation data is pretty much what you would expect it to be. It doesn’t really vary that widely from using average SSAT score or average SAT score, and yes I know about the hidden gems, I get it. But I like a spread sheet and you have to put something in the columns. I refuse to pay for access to one of those sites. If my kid doesn’t get good news in two weeks I might rework Lvillegrad’s spreadsheet with more recent numbers, but its a lot of work and I doubt it has really changed all that much