Males Under 35: Are they struggling and what can be done about it?

Great point. There is no requirement to have a long term relationship and/or kids. I’m fact, that’s probably better for some.

Women’s overwhelming desire for tall men is an interesting one. I’ll go out on a limb (no pun intended) and say that it outranks other desired traits.

She would have been fine with a shorter guy … his height was just a bonus because she enjoys wearing high heels! :grinning:

Finance bro is probably far too specific. The better characterization is men with prestigious, usually well paying careers with high social standing. Misandry is real and helps push society forward with high quality intellects.

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You’ve kind of inadvertently proved my point. If height isn’t important to your daughter why does he need to be near her height when she is wearing heels? I guess height is important.

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Ah, but is height important to the woman … or is it important to the man? In my D’s case, she encountered a number of guys who made it clear that they preferred women they dated to be shorter than them. Not her now-H, though, who doesn’t care one way or the other how tall she is.

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Sure. Some men want shorter women. But it is a much more important trait to women.

Your example indicates that height was in fact important to your daughter. Which is fine; just admit it.

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If this is how you approach conversations, you may be wise to consider how you come across to others.

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I thought were we having a good discussion in getting right to the heart of the matter. I like that you’re bringing up various perspectives.

Lot of the time (not always), it is men who have trouble with women taller than they are. When Nicole Kidman was married to Tom Cruise, she always wore flats because he was self conscious about her height. I have seen her with Keith Urban and she wears heels and he doesn’t seem to mind …:).

I am like 5’ 11 and I dated a girl who was like 5’ 10, and she liked wearing heels and I was all for it,didn’t bother me at all and I thought she looked great.

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6 foot S’s wife is maybe an inch shorter – or less. Before they were married she said, “Sometimes I’m going to wear heels (and be taller), and you’re going to have to get used to it.” Hasn’t been a problem.

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My DIL was attracted to S I believe because they have a lot of perspectives in common. I have no idea of the height of the women he dated. He’s about 5’6” and she can where whatever footwear she wants around him. s is not a tech bro nor in finance. He’s self-employed but used to be a fed govt employee. She’s had multiple successive jobs in the many years they’ve been together.

I have no clue how they divvy up finances and don’t think it’s any of my business.

Other than struggling with some chronic health issues in his teens resulting in frequent and prolonged school absences, S hasn’t admitted to us that he’s struggled.

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All this talk about high heels reminded me of this quote:

From https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-oxford-handbook-of-evolutionary-psychology-and-romantic-relationships-9780197524718?cc=us&lang=en&#

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If we are honest about footwear, after wearing a pair of shoes for 2 days that required me to wear remedial orthotics for years, some of us just refuse to wear heels for health of our own bodies and comfort.

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Ah - some actual data!

Study: “ Women want taller men more than men want shorter women”

Many of the (apparently) female posters on this thread are inadvertently agreeing with the above.

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If I’m reading this correctly, isn’t this a false dichotomy?

People in finance can’t be kind to animals or love their mothers or be creative? Is everyone in finance a, “bro”?

Maybe I need to look on urban dictionary to understand what a bro is.

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It’s a lazy stereotype.

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I do, and plenty of them work in finance.

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Doesn’t seem to pair well with folks who work in finance/banking given their typical work hours.

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Yes I’m happy that DH is exactly my height, 5’-9". Gives me an excuse not to wear heels. He doesn’t care one way or the other.